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They just finished the ADblue system repairs and new NOX sensors, total parts cost quote this time was $3,297.02, less than one month after the previously mentioned $7,457.10 in parts! Combined that's quite a bit more than I paid for the vehicle, but all free under warranty.
 

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FBMP and local used car lots have a plentiful inventory of out-of-warranty TDi Touaregs.
The alluring fuel consumption, the effervescent torque of diesel engines, towing ability - none of that enchants me even the slightest when I witness a lack of basic maintenance resulting in mountainous repair bills.
 

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They just finished the ADblue system repairs and new NOX sensors, total parts cost quote this time was $3,297.02, less than one month after the previously mentioned $7,457.10 in parts! Combined that's quite a bit more than I paid for the vehicle, but all free under warranty.
$11,000 in parts, much of it replacing the stuff they already replaced. Maybe the equipment only lasts 3 months; I've drawn my own conclusion.
 

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I've drawn my own conclusion.
Which is? Are you suspecting they didn't really replace these parts before? I doubt it, since the system wouldn't have worked for any time if they didn't.

This is the main part I think they are repeatedly replacing:
Control module. Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Module. REPAIR KIT.
Part Number: 561198969 561198969 - Control module. Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Module. REPAIR KIT - Genuine Volkswagen Part

I think this is really just a generic Bosch adblue pump, same part on almost every modern diesel vehicle.
 

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Sounds like you didnt shop for a qualified AND knowledgable AND experienced Touareg Technician. Not all VW Dealerships have one, but they will tell you “its a VW so yes we repair Touaregs”. This translates to ‘we have videos and manuals so we can figure it out while you pay us’. So my best advice is go find a real qualified knowledgable experienced Touareg Tech because they are rare and wonderful. I’ve experienced this with my Touareg once and never again. Rarer still would be an Indy Shop.
The most reliable help is on this forum, if you are able to do the diagnostics and the work.
Yes Touaregs are expensive to maintain, and more so to repair.
worth considering having your Touareg checked out by a Real Touareg Tech to be certain of its condition before making your decision on keep or sell. I have an 07 FSI V8 and try to plan for 2-5 k costs per year for maintenance and repairs. To me its worth it and no I do not have any type of warranty.
 

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Which is? Are you suspecting they didn't really replace these parts before? I doubt it, since the system wouldn't have worked for any time if they didn't.

This is the main part I think they are repeatedly replacing:
Control module. Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Module. REPAIR KIT.
Part Number: 561198969 561198969 - Control module. Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Module. REPAIR KIT - Genuine Volkswagen Part

I think this is really just a generic Bosch adblue pump, same part on almost every modern diesel vehicle.
My conclusion is that they have no idea how a urea system works or what is wrong. So they simply say everything is faulty and it needs to be replaced. Not really your issue while under warranty, but pretty soon, you will be footing the bill and it would good to only replace components that are actually faulty.
 

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Sounds like you didnt shop for a qualified AND knowledgable AND experienced Touareg Technician.
I don't really have much choice due to proximity, but this shop is the biggest VW dealer in one of the largest cities in Northern California, in an area with probably the highest density of TDIs in north america.

So far it's all free, and I will be able to do all of the work myself once out of warranty. I am now taking this car back to the shop for a third time in the last month... they just put that new turbo in and now there is a massive oil leak on the upper rear of the engine where the turbo is, it didn't leak a drop before.
 

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I don't really have much choice due to proximity, but this shop is the biggest VW dealer in one of the largest cities in Northern California, in an area with probably the highest density of TDIs in north america.

So far it's all free, and I will be able to do all of the work myself once out of warranty. I am now taking this car back to the shop for a third time in the last month... they just put that new turbo in and now there is a massive oil leak on the upper rear of the engine where the turbo is, it didn't leak a drop before.
It may require a bit of a drive to find the correct experienced and knowledgable Touareg Tech but in my opinion its worth it to a phone to call around and do your due diligence and then get an appt. Touaregs are NOT the average VW TDI. Guess I know how the “largest VW Dealer in N Cali” earns their money. Hint - not by doing exceptional quality work.
 

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I've owned my post-dieselgate fix '09 V6 TDI Touareg now for over three years, and am nearing the end of the emissions warranty from VW. Consistently during the three years of ownership, about twice a year it has needed $2000-4000 worth of major work, requiring weeks in the shop, almost always on complex emissions related equipment that can only really be done by a VW dealer. Thus far I have had the turbo, both EGR coolers, the entire adblue system including pumps and tanks, NOX sensors, and many other parts replaced- all completely free and under warranty, with a free loaner car each time. The car is currently back in the shop getting every single part in the adblue system replaced for a second time! It seems like post-fix, these parts are just under excess stress, and can't continue working for long.

I love this car- it drives great both on road and offroad, but it seems just too complex and unreliable. I am not sure that it's worth paying up to the full value of the car annually to keep it on the road if it continues to need as much work as it has- the out of pocket repair costs would likely exceed the payments on a new car! Plus, I like to do long road trips and the most common symptom is the sudden appearance of the low adblue countdown- often at a small number of miles rather than the 1000 warning it's supposed to give, causing a 'self destruct' refusal to start far from the possibility of help.

Has anybody had experience owning one of these without the warranty? How is it possible?

I live in an urban area of California that requires biennial emissions inspections, so doing any kind of emissions delete is a complete non-starter.
We have a 2015 TDI and it was already out of warranty that I knew of (130k miles) so we got a 3 yr extended warranty on it.
 

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Turbo was only $1900, most of the cost was just little hoses, gaskets, nuts, etc. I'm sure the job can be done cheaper. Interestingly, the most expensive single part was "Connector pipe. Connector tube. Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Tube. Part Number: 059131521K" at $2,574.47, more than the turbo itself.

Honestly, I'm not even sure the turbo was even bad... the car drove fine but there was a small exhaust smell in the cabin, so something was leaking or cracked. They wouldn't tell me, or didn't know exactly what had failed.

Perhaps this is just a story of how incompetent the dealers are. I imagine whatever was leaking could have been brazed or welded up, and reinstalled by reusing the gaskets for almost no cost.... Most of the bolts, gaskets, etc. on these cars are very high quality and don't actually need replacement.
I also had pretty much the same experience with my 2010 touring sport. I’ve only owned it for about two years and I’ve had probably $10,000 worth of warranty work done. Just like you with a new emission system from engine to exhaust for around 6000 the dealer said under warranty and the next year I had to have the turbo replaced because I also had a smell of diesel in the side of the car which if I hadn’t mentioned it, the dealer obviously wouldn’t have fixed it, but that also was repaired under warranty thankfully. my car has 120,000 miles on it and drives like a Porsche and is just amazing. my wife has a 2014 TouaregTDI that has about 100,000 miles on it and hasn’t had any work done on it and seems to not have any serious problems and still has about 20 some thousand miles left on the diesel warranty. I too am wondering about whether or not I should get another vehicle or in my case two vehicles incidentally, I have a GL 350 Mercedes diesel, which also is still covered under the warranty and they have replaced the admission control system from the engine to the exhaust, and then six months later, had to replace the blue tank because it was short somewhere in the motor period all this would’ve passed Broadway close to $10,000, but luckily it was also covered by the Mercedes warranty. I live in the Phoenix area and I’ve noticed a lot of good use TDI. It’s for sale and I’m thinking of trading mining or selling it and buying a younger one with fewer miles and still under warranty period they are wonderful, wonderful cars and my wife would not drive anything else, but I am thinking diesels are becoming a thing of the past, and maybe we need to all move onto gasoline or electric? I had another experience with my wife’s car though where the rear trunk would not open without a switch in the door being replaced. the dealer wanted to charge $380 to fix it, and I thought that was a little Spendee so I bought the part online for $40 and put it in myself in half hour so that Shows you how the mark up with dealerships work! good luck!
 

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I have a '13 Treg with 140k miles and out of warranty now in Cali. The dealers suck. Almost everywhere in thr US. We drove around the entire US and only 1 was decent because it was this 60yr old old school mechanic who was the only one in the dealer with diesel experience.

I had a coolant leak. Came on here and narrowed it down to the little valve behind the oil cooler. I took it to 3 diff shops and told them I think its this part. Car passed coolant pressure test every time. They wanted to change the water pump. I got the parts myself and downloaded the manual. We were down for 3 or 4 days but I did it for less than I think $400 whereas other shops wanted to change a part that wasn't even a problem, then change another part and so on. Probably would've cost me $2500 to $3000 and I would've been out a car for several weeks.

Another example. I got a DPF error while still under warranty. I told guy pretty sure it's the DPF itself. Nope. Dealer had to order and change out the sensor first. Of course that didn't work. Then they had to order and change out the DPF. This took a month total to diagnose and fix, and 4 separate stays at the dealer to actually fix.

Learn how to fix your own car and you'll be fine.
 

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Tambien tengo un treg 2009 TDi con 186.000 kms y las mantenciones las hago en un taller semi especializado que tienen un VAG .Si se detecta algun fallo ,busco en mi catalogo de piezas y partes e importo todos los repuestos y solicito que los cambien .Es así como, el costo de reparación /mantención es bajo.
Este grupo me ha ayudado mucho a dirigir reparaciones en talleres no especializados ,pues al igual que tu no puedo dedicar tiempo a repararlo pero si puedo dirigir si se que hay que hacer .
Como referencia tengo mi Treg 2009 hace 5 anos y he gastado no mas de 2000$ anuales ,considerando que en mi pais la obra de mano es mas barata .Saludos
 

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I also have a treg 2009 TDi with 186,000 kms and the maintenance I do in a semi specialized workshop that have a VAG .if any failure is detected ,I search in my catalog of parts and parts and import all the spare parts and request to change them .that's how , the cost of repair /maintenance is low .

This group has helped me a lot to manage repairs in non-specialized workshops, because like you I can not spend time to repair it but I can manage if I know what to do.

As a reference I have my Treg 2009 for 5 years and I have spent no more than $ 2000 per year, considering that in my country the labor cost is cheaper .


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I love my diesels for so many reasons. In your case, are you liking the Touareg or the diesel better. Is a gas version something you would consider?
No, I am really into diesels but not loving the complexity of the Touareg. It’s just that there aren’t really any better options for a smallish diesel SUV with good offroad capabilities in the USA. My ideal vehicle would be something like a bare bones 80s G wagen diesel, but those are so rare here they are closing in on 100k in good condition and attract too much attention. I tried a diesel Isuzu Trooper for a while but the lack of power was unsafe, sometimes going as slow as 35mph at full throttle on freeway grades where the fully loaded trucks were still managing 55mph. International Scout diesels have the same lack of power and are super rare. The Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel might be an option, but is arguably as complex as a Touareg yet with lower build quality, not a great combo. They also seem to cost about twice Touareg prices still.
 
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