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One of my friend want to sell his 2013 Touareg VR6. (47000mile, Sport, Personal 1-owner, regular maintenance) And four tires and battery on it have been renewed this year. He offered me 12K for this car. Just wondering that if I want to sell it after one year (after graduation), is it a good deal for me? I usually take his Touareg for trips, for now, I didn't notice any issue about this car, except the interior squeak. Also, what's the price of its regular maintenance?

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Asked this on Reddit, lots of people say that if I want to buy this car, I should have a $2K budget for its annual maintenance. Is that real?
 

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Also, the local dealer has offered the same price (12K) for collecting this car. So I am very confused about the true value about it.
 

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Generally speaking, if a dealer is offering $12k to buy the car then that is a 'trade price' (as the dealer wants to make money on a sale with a purely financial interest, no emotional investment that us Touareg owners on here almost all have) and so for a private person to get a car for trade price that would amount to a good deal typically. Is there a "Red Book" on used car values in the US? Redbook.com.au in Aus will give indicative prices for used cars with adjustments for Trade price, Private sale prices, adjustments for kilometers showing, extras etc.

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Generally speaking, if a dealer is offering $12k to buy the car then that is a 'trade price' (as the dealer wants to make money on a sale with a purely financial interest, no emotional investment that us Touareg owners on here almost all have) and so for a private person to get a car for trade price that would amount to a good deal typically. Is there a "Red Book" on used car values in the US? Redbook.com.au in Aus will give indicative prices for used cars with adjustments for Trade price, Private sale prices, adjustments for kilometers showing, extras etc.

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Yep. There is a KBB in the US like the red book in AU. The website shows that this car's price is between 14000-15000. Frankly, the car's history is totally neat. Just afraid of further maintenance costs & potential problems. It's a risk to buy a Germany luxury car without a warranty.
 

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Ok, that KBB pricing would indicate then that $12k is a good price for you to have this opportunity. Is the KBB valuation based on this year model and with same options, any mileage adjustment necessary? Always a good idea to have extended warranty. As this is a private sale you're going to have to enquire with an insurer. Read the detail on the extended warranty cover PDS taking particular note of the covered items and more importantly the NOT covered items. Covered items is generally main components only and minor electrical and a host of other items are not covered. Unless you pay a lot for a full bumper to bumper warranty - not sure if you can get those but they're probably pretty pricey.

Good luck with it.

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The VR6 will have lower regular maintenance costs than a TDI.
If you can't wrench yourself, and have to pay a shop, things like brakes can be really expensive, German car.
The low miles is good. I think the price is about right, but if you can low-ball without insulting the seller, try it and maybe get $1000 knocked off.
And if you REALLY need a Touareg (it's hard to justify if you aren't towing, unless you're a VW fanboy) then go for it.
The ides of just driving it for a couple years or so isn't financially sound at all. A revolving door of vehicles doesn't work out unless you are somehow fixing them up yourself and selling even every time you sell a vehicle yourself. You get the miles for free (less fuel and maintenance costs), and you get the money back you spent on the vehicle. But that's mostly a fantasy.
Buy ONE decent reliable vehicle that you think you could live with for 5-10 years. That will be the least costly vehicle to own, unless it's a piece of crap and blows up every year.
 

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It's a pretty good price if it's in the condition you say. You could offer $10k, but he's probably giving you the option of buying for what he could trade it in for.
If you're on an extremely limited budget, a Touareg is not for you. If you hardly drive it, maintenance is going to be a couple hundred a year. You have a service coming up at 50K miles, so you can ask the dealer what that will run you to give you a good idea. Tires last about 40K miles, give or take, and must have all replaced at the same time. OEM tire sizes can be somewhat rare- a large tire shop will most likely need to order them. Ask your friend what he spent on tires to get an idea of price. If that price scares you, walk away.
You're buying a premium European automobile, not an econobox. It's low-volume to boot, so you'll need specialist knowledge on many issues. Do not buy if you cannot afford the upkeep, and don't fool yourself that the upkeep is as minimal as on a CR-V or RAV 4. It also has much worse mileage than an econobox- don't even dream that you'll get 30, or even 25 MPG. The best I saw in my VR6 was 19.
All that being said, it's a fantastic and reliable vehicle. It soaks up miles and is fun to drive, confident in almost any terrain and weather. You don't need to worry about seeing 10 others just like yours in a parking lot. You'd be smarter to hang onto it, but you might be able to flip it for a year or so for what you paid for it. It might not sell in 3 days, but it will sell.
 

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Ok, that KBB pricing would indicate then that $12k is a good price for you to have this opportunity. Is the KBB valuation based on this year model and with same options, any mileage adjustment necessary? Always a good idea to have extended warranty. As this is a private sale you're going to have to enquire with an insurer. Read the detail on the extended warranty cover PDS taking particular note of the covered items and more importantly the NOT covered items. Covered items is generally main components only and minor electrical and a host of other items are not covered. Unless you pay a lot for a full bumper to bumper warranty - not sure if you can get those but they're probably pretty pricey.

Good luck with it.

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Thx for ur help, Pete!
 

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The VR6 will have lower regular maintenance costs than a TDI.
If you can't wrench yourself, and have to pay a shop, things like brakes can be really expensive, German car.
The low miles is good. I think the price is about right, but if you can low-ball without insulting the seller, try it and maybe get $1000 knocked off.
And if you REALLY need a Touareg (it's hard to justify if you aren't towing, unless you're a VW fanboy) then go for it.
The ides of just driving it for a couple years or so isn't financially sound at all. A revolving door of vehicles doesn't work out unless you are somehow fixing them up yourself and selling even every time you sell a vehicle yourself. You get the miles for free (less fuel and maintenance costs), and you get the money back you spent on the vehicle. But that's mostly a fantasy.
Buy ONE decent reliable vehicle that you think you could live with for 5-10 years. That will be the least costly vehicle to own, unless it's a piece of crap and blows up every year.
I don’t think he will sell it to me with lower price than a dealer, so 12k would be the final price. Thanks for ur reply, John.
 

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It's a pretty good price if it's in the condition you say. You could offer $10k, but he's probably giving you the option of buying for what he could trade it in for.
If you're on an extremely limited budget, a Touareg is not for you. If you hardly drive it, maintenance is going to be a couple hundred a year. You have a service coming up at 50K miles, so you can ask the dealer what that will run you to give you a good idea. Tires last about 40K miles, give or take, and must have all replaced at the same time. OEM tire sizes can be somewhat rare- a large tire shop will most likely need to order them. Ask your friend what he spent on tires to get an idea of price. If that price scares you, walk away.
You're buying a premium European automobile, not an econobox. It's low-volume to boot, so you'll need specialist knowledge on many issues. Do not buy if you cannot afford the upkeep, and don't fool yourself that the upkeep is as minimal as on a CR-V or RAV 4. It also has much worse mileage than an econobox- don't even dream that you'll get 30, or even 25 MPG. The best I saw in my VR6 was 19.
All that being said, it's a fantastic and reliable vehicle. It soaks up miles and is fun to drive, confident in almost any terrain and weather. You don't need to worry about seeing 10 others just like yours in a parking lot. You'd be smarter to hang onto it, but you might be able to flip it for a year or so for what you paid for it. It might not sell in 3 days, but it will sell.
Hello. My friend replaced all tires of this car this year on local VW dealer. So I think I don’t need to change it within several years. I noticed that there could be a timing chain failure issue on 2013 Touareg in some cases on the internet, and the replacement fee is extremely high ($5000+) Is it a common issue in Touareg 2?
 

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Yup, read about the tires and battery. I've heard of tires lasting as little as 20K miles, which would be 1-2 years of normal driving, all the way to 50K miles which could be as much as 5 years. It depends on alot of factors, and it's good to have the full story. Your plan may be to unload it in a year or two, but plans change. If it's absolutely essential you unload it in a year and incur no maintenance costs, I'd suggest you look into taking over a lease on a vehicle you like.
I'm not aware of low-mileage timing chain issues on the 3.6 VR6, and that price sounds like a dealer price. A good independent garage familiar with Tregs would be cheaper, but still more than $1K. The timing chain issues I'd heard of were on the V8 Touareg. I put around 20K miles on my '15 VR6 in 4 months and had no issues.

Any used car is a crapshoot. If you're risk averse, don't want to be in a situation where you're on the hook for expensive repairs- take a pass. If you want to be in a vehicle for two years and want no risk, lease a vehicle. If you want the same for 1 year, look at taking over the lease on a vehicle.

Hello. My friend replaced all tires of this car this year on local VW dealer. So I think I don’t need to change it within several years. I noticed that there could be a timing chain failure issue on 2013 Touareg in some cases on the internet, and the replacement fee is extremely high ($5000+) Is it a common issue in Touareg 2?
 

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Yup, read about the tires and battery. I've heard of tires lasting as little as 20K miles, which would be 1-2 years of normal driving, all the way to 50K miles which could be as much as 5 years. It depends on alot of factors, and it's good to have the full story. Your plan may be to unload it in a year or two, but plans change. If it's absolutely essential you unload it in a year and incur no maintenance costs, I'd suggest you look into taking over a lease on a vehicle you like.
I'm not aware of low-mileage timing chain issues on the 3.6 VR6, and that price sounds like a dealer price. A good independent garage familiar with Tregs would be cheaper, but still more than $1K. The timing chain issues I'd heard of were on the V8 Touareg. I put around 20K miles on my '15 VR6 in 4 months and had no issues.

Any used car is a crapshoot. If you're risk averse, don't want to be in a situation where you're on the hook for expensive repairs- take a pass. If you want to be in a vehicle for two years and want no risk, lease a vehicle. If you want the same for 1 year, look at taking over the lease on a vehicle.
I just record a video for the current condition of its engine. Could you plz help me to check it? Thanks again!
 

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I'm not hearing anything out of line. The ticking sounds more like injectors to me. A pre-purchase inspection from a mechanic familiar with Touaregs, or at least the 3.6L VR6 should answer your question definitively.
 

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Wanted to add, you can eliminate things yourself. If you have a good ear, you can cover an area with your hand- say, the timing chain cover area (don't actually touch it, just put it near)- and listen if the noise goes away. Then move your hand to cover the valve cover area. It's an easy way to localize noises, giving you a better idea what the issue is. You can also use a mechanic's stethoscope to do similar, and get more localized.
Another tip is cam timing moves at half engine speed, so an issue with the cam drive train will sound slower then the engine. Same thing with valve issues; it will sound very slow if it's happening on just one cylinder.
Injectors typically fire at cam speed (direct injection/sequential port injection), crankshaft speed (Port injection) or in groups at crankshaft speed (multiport injection)
 

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Wanted to add, you can eliminate things yourself. If you have a good ear, you can cover an area with your hand- say, the timing chain cover area (don't actually touch it, just put it near)- and listen if the noise goes away. Then move your hand to cover the valve cover area. It's an easy way to localize noises, giving you a better idea what the issue is. You can also use a mechanic's stethoscope to do similar, and get more localized.
Another tip is cam timing moves at half engine speed, so an issue with the cam drive train will sound slower then the engine. Same thing with valve issues; it will sound very slow if it's happening on just one cylinder.
Injectors typically fire at cam speed (direct injection/sequential port injection), crankshaft speed (Port injection) or in groups at crankshaft speed (multiport injection)
Thank you sooo much, Rocket! It’s really a detailed and helpful reply to me. Hope u have a good day!
 

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$12k for a low mileage, 1-owner vr6 sounds great to me..
 
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