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We got these for our Touareg a couple months ago but decided to go with OEM pads. I ordered these from ECS and they are for the T1 with 330mm front and whatever the rear is. I would like to get $215 shipped for them. :)



 

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Related to this quote above: "The ceramics aren't as good as the OEM's"...

Why do you have this opinion? Have you installed these on your Touareg? In what way are the ceramics worse than the OEM's?
 

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Related to this quote above: "The ceramics aren't as good as the OEM's"...

Why do you have this opinion? Have you installed these on your Touareg? In what way are the ceramics worse than the OEM's?
He's right, but the statement does need to be quantified to be accurate.
In a racing application, ceramic brakes are FAR superior, because, once at operating temperature, their friction coefficient is significantly higher than standard street pad material.

That being said, street pads are made from the material they are for a reason. Ceramic brake's operating temps are much higher than street pad material, higher than what street cars usually see during normal & even spirited driving. So, putting ceramic pads on a street car ultimately results in poor braking performance most of the time. (think 10 miles of freeway driving = cool brakes, then you have a panic stop as you come up on a traffic jam.) OEM brakes are more effective in this & nearly any street situation.

Conversely, if you take a car with street pads to Infineon raceway, your brakes are going to fade and be non existent by turn 3 as they'll quickly be way above their effective operating temp.
 

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Just say "No"

Ceramics are a non-starter with high carbon iron OE rotors. I've written about this extensively before over the course of several years here in the forums. Unfortunately, Hawk and EBC are not fair to the uninitiated markets they serve offering these materials for use in street vehicles. A carbon metallic pad is the only solution here for the weight class, inertia, and drivability needs of US clients. Ceramic pads warp rotors, sooner or later, in this weight and inertia class. Buy them for your lightweight Corolla, not your Touareg.

It's worth noting that only Hawk and EBC make a ceramic formulation pad for the Touareg among aftermarket companies I observe. Every other company follows VW's lead and provides a metallic blend of their own, however they may formulate, but without the NAO ceramic fibers.

I've sold folks, after only 10K miles, new brakes because of the damage ceramic pads from one of these two vendors did to client's rotors. Talk to Chrysler about their new gen minivans, MY2008-up; they have had to go so far as to provide every owner with a 36 month/36000 mile warranty extension on wear, which is extraordinary for this company. All because they deployed Akebono's vaunted ceramic pads with TRW iron rotors that can not take the energy coursing thru them. I've owned two of these vans, including a Routan, and I can speak from a first hand perspective.

So all I can say is, you've been warned... Just say no.

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Geoff
 
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