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On my Touareg I am running second set of OEM brake pads and rotors. But I am considering to get EBC pads for my second vehicle(Volvo station wagon).

Does anyone have a first hand experience with this brand, I am more interested in their following pads: EBC Yellowstuff or Redstuff. I have asked this question on a Volvo site without much success. I am hoping to hear from someone who tried this product.

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On my Touareg I am running second set of OEM brake pads and rotors. But I am considering to get EBC pads for my second vehicle(Volvo station wagon).

Does anyone have a first hand experience with this brand, I am more interested in their following pads: EBC Yellowstuff or Redstuff. I have asked this question on a Volvo site without much success. I am hoping to hear from someone who tried this product.

Thank you
Garry

I am running the EBC Yellows on my v10 with much success. I got 47k on the first set of fronts and the rears have about 10k to go. In comparison, I was averaging 25K per set (front and rear) on the OEM's.

They have excellent initial "bite" and consistent stopping properties. The overall feel is better than the OEM pads but I have no data to prove they are better. The dust is similar to the OEM pads.

My truck just turned 122k in miles so I have about equal miles on both types of pads.
 

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How's the EBC Yellow wearing the rotors? The website said they are NOT "low dust" pads, correct?

Another good thing about EBC pads is that they are Euro R90 certified for OEM equivalent performance.



I am running the EBC Yellows on my v10 with much success. I got 47k on the first set of fronts and the rears have about 10k to go. In comparison, I was averaging 25K per set (front and rear) on the OEM's.

They have excellent initial "bite" and consistent stopping properties. The overall feel is better than the OEM pads but I have no data to prove they are better. The dust is similar to the OEM pads.

My truck just turned 122k in miles so I have about equal miles on both types of pads.
 

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How's the EBC Yellow wearing the rotors? The website said they are NOT "low dust" pads, correct?

Another good thing about EBC pads is that they are Euro R90 certified for OEM equivalent performance.
Correct. The dust is similar to OEM and the rotor wear is slightly better. Other compounds offered by EBC are designed to produce less dust. However, the yellow's compound is fairly aggressive and in my experience; aggressive = dust.

Where do I find the requested edge code rating? If its on the pad, it will be a few weeks before the next tire rotation is due - sorry.
 

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I really like the OEM bite, however, I'm willing to try the LTS once for its longevity and see. Otherwise it may be EBC or back to Pagid.

The "edge code" is actually on the "back" of the pads. :D Therefore unless you have some around, it's for when you order new ones next time.

They contain codes for the manufacturer, friction material type, and friction rating in a combinatin of two letters of E, F, G, or H. The first letter is for 250 degF performance and the second letter for 600 degF performance.

So you may see something like GG on the EBCs or Pagids. (I think these strong OEM Pagid pads should be GG or HH). You should also see "90R-" on EBCs and Pagids for Euro-R90 compliance. R90 is good stuff.

The higher the number the stronger the friction:
E = 0.25-0.35
F = 0.35-0.45
G = 0.45-0.55
H = 0.55-0.65



Where do I find the requested edge code rating? If its on the pad, it will be a few weeks before the next tire rotation is due - sorry.
 

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The oem pads have Brembo and part numbers printed on the shim,stamped into the backing plate of the pad it says Pagid GG,Marty


Oe pads (front) 2005 V6 are $150 list with discount 20% are $120. Brembo, Pagid.
 

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Many thanks Marty. That's a great deal for OEM performance. So where you do get the 20% discount? Thanks.



The oem pads have Brembo and part numbers printed on the shim,stamped into the backing plate of the pad it says Pagid GG,Marty


Oe pads (front) 2005 V6 are $150 list with discount 20% are $120. Brembo, Pagid.
 

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Based on what EBC says on their website, I'd say if you're looking for low dust, then go with the Red. If you don't mind the dust, go with Yellowstuff (R1793 formulation). If you want the upgraded, higher friction pad, then the Yellowstuff Truck/SUV, but this is supposed to have less cold bite and a short life than R1793.

See message #3 in: http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f44/whats-your-brake-pads-friction-rating-43412.html

I'm still looking for more info on the Hawk LTS pads, which I'm leaning toward for its longevity. It's supposedly low dust, long lasting, and TireRack gave it a 4/5 stopping power rating. This is vs the Hawk Blue's 5/5 (supposedly like the H rated EBC Blue's 0.75 mu. Details on ebcbrakes.com).





On my Touareg I am running second set of OEM brake pads and rotors. But I am considering to get EBC pads for my second vehicle(Volvo station wagon).

Does anyone have a first hand experience with this brand, I am more interested in their following pads: EBC Yellowstuff or Redstuff. I have asked this question on a Volvo site without much success. I am hoping to hear from someone who tried this product.

Thank you
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First of all - thank you for all replies: they are very informative.

In comparison to OEM Touareg, my Volvo brakes do not have initial bite and not progressive at all. I already flushed and replaced brake fluid using ATE 6, which gave me a slight improvement, but far from desired. To be honest I can care less about dust on my wheels, since stopping performance is more important to me than esthetics's. After having several European cars I got used to have dusted wheels and it does not bother me anymore. Also rotors wear is not a big issue for me since I would rather replacement them every two-three years or so than monkey with the old ones.

I almost settled for Yellowstuff High friction Truck line, since it has the highest friction among all EBC pads, until I came across a new Ultimax line which is ECE R 90 approved. Do you think that I be better getting Ultimax over Yellowstuff High friction Truck? I have noticed that R90 testing includes COLD and HOT brake friction analysis. Do yo think that Yellowstuff High friction Truck line may not perform as well as Ultimax while cold, but over-perform while hot? Or it only applies to Yellowstaff 4000 series, which is race track approved?

Thank you again, Garry

PS: After posting this I have noticed that SamT's previous comment mostly answers what I was after....
 

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Question for V10 FUN.

What line of EBC Yellow's you have on your Touareg: Race or Truck/SUV?
 

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ECE R90 or Regulation 90 - What’s it all about?​
European legislation came into effect September 1999 titled ECE R90 that stipulates that all brake pads sold for use on vehicles manufactured after this date must be tested and comply to R90 standards.
This test which involves taking each homologated vehicle used on the public roads within Europe and comparing the front and rear brake performance with the original parts to those of aftermarket offerings has closed the door to cheap and nasty imported brake pads throughout Europe.
The test includes cold and hot brake friction analysis and if a part has been approved to R90, it can be safely assumed that the product is equal to or better than original equipment product.
The brake pads are then marked with an R90 code number and a country code in a circle such as E1 for Germany or E11 for UK which signifies where the testing has been done.
EBC Brakes does all of its testing at the VCA (Vehicle Certification Agency) test facilities at MIRA in Nuneaton, UK. MIRA stands for the Motor Industries Research Association who have a high speed test track for conducting these tests which EBC Brakes uses on a regular basis. Compare this to some of the blanket approvals that have been obtained (or supposedly obtained) from some (shall we say) less scrupulous industry participants and it is clear to anyone with an engineering knowledge that the EBC Brakes method of testing is 100% reliable.
Factory Approval is part of the R90 process which involves engineers inspecting and accrediting the factory manufacturing the product before approval is given.
What are the benefits?
If you are selling brake pads for European vehicles and the material you are offering is not very close to the original equipment material in terms of friction level, you could be placing your customers safety at risk. Considering that in 90% of cases the front brake pads on a vehicle wear out before the rear, it is normal to see replacement of front brake pads with an aftermarket offering whilst the rear pad is still left in the vehicle. Simple physics tells you that a vehicle with higher friction in the rear than in the front is a danger area. Such an imbalance of braking can cause rear wheel lock up as pedal pressure is increased by the driver in an attempt to bring the vehicle to rest, and the simple result is ..... front wheel lock up and the car brakes IN A STRAIGHT LINE .... rear wheel lock up and the car goes into a tailspin.

In what ways are European pads different and why does this affect me?
Most European vehicles are built with single piston caliper systems with “deep” profile pads where the band width (height of the pad from top to bottom) is much larger than in brake systems used on Asian cars or American built cars. This basic design difference has lead to European car manufacturers using HIGHER FRICTION pads than most of their counterparts who build vehicles in Asia and USA. To use the lower friction level pads common in the American and Asian markets inter-mixed with a higher friction European spec pad is a recipe for disaster.

Another major advantage
of the EBC product is its far reduced disc (rotor) wear rates compared to many original parts. Internal tests have show significant reduction in rotor wear when using the EBC Ultimax material.
 
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