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Hey guys.

I have a 2014 TDI 3.0L and am going to receive the fix soon. Rather than deal with the crappy fix I want to go with a software tune and possibly even delete the emissions stuff. (yes I'm aware it's off road only)

Thinking something like this

https://malonetuning.com/ecu-tuning/audi-volkswagen/tdi/30l-v6-tdi

https://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_tdi.html

and possibly this
https://www.rawtekinc.com/collections/touareg-tdi-2009-2011/products/touareg-q7-2009-2014-dpf-adblue-delete-exhaust-kit?variant=7740600835

Does anyone have experience with these mods and tunes? Not too worried about cost, just want a reliable, more powerful Touareg with good MPGs. Don't care about emissions as they don't test in my area.
 

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I actually just did this to my 2013 Touareg LUX. I wasn't a big fan of the new shift points and had some shudder in the lower RPM's doing city driving. I scheduled an appointment with a Malone reseller who also installed the buzzken DPF delete. Performance change is remarkable, torque is through the roof. I made a calculated bet to get VW's fix, then take it to get tuned. Really the only thing I am worried about is the HPFP blowing up and any warranty work (or issues I might encounter because of tune) necessary. If anything this should extend the life of cat and turbo.

MPG's you might get 10%, although with the added power its hard to not use it and decrease the milage with a heavy foot.

With the tune and delete I dont really hear much change in exhaust note, although under even moderate throttle you can definitely see the diesel cloud out the exhaust. It now smells like a diesel too, which could turn some people off. You cant smell this in the cabin but once you roll windows down or in the garage its noticeable.
 

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i suggest jrauto tuning....for the 3.0 they are on top...my tuner is buzzken and we have tried both, jr is the way to go...silky smooth power house
 

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What was your reasoning for doing the DFE, delete and not just the tune? The guys at Malone say the tune works well either way.
 

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I actually just did this to my 2013 Touareg LUX. I wasn't a big fan of the new shift points and had some shudder in the lower RPM's doing city driving. I scheduled an appointment with a Malone reseller who also installed the buzzken DPF delete. Performance change is remarkable, torque is through the roof. I made a calculated bet to get VW's fix, then take it to get tuned. Really the only thing I am worried about is the HPFP blowing up and any warranty work (or issues I might encounter because of tune) necessary. If anything this should extend the life of cat and turbo.

MPG's you might get 10%, although with the added power its hard to not use it and decrease the milage with a heavy foot.

With the tune and delete I dont really hear much change in exhaust note, although under even moderate throttle you can definitely see the diesel cloud out the exhaust. It now smells like a diesel too, which could turn some people off. You cant smell this in the cabin but once you roll windows down or in the garage its noticeable.
What was your reasoning for doing the delete and the tune instead of just the tune?
 

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I did it for a couple reasons.

1. More power with the tune.
2. Less complex system.

I debated the pro's and cons of tuning and doing the delete, but honestly the delete takes care of so many issues the TDI is notorious for. No more ad-blue, no more issues with DPF and SCR, no more issues with ad-blue heater. Overall it leads to less wear on turbo's and EGR valve. Outside of turbo failure, or HPFP failure, I cant see many other things to worry about. It could be short sighted of me, but the power is unreal.

If I do have issues I have all the parts and can tune it back to stock. I know on the Audi side they flag you for ANY changes made to the ECU, whether the tune is stock or not, so I figured if I am going to do it, why not go big. I would have to enquire with Malone, but I am wondering if tune without delete leads to faster DPF failure or regeneration.
 

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I did it for a couple reasons.

1. More power with the tune.
2. Less complex system.

I debated the pro's and cons of tuning and doing the delete, but honestly the delete takes care of so many issues the TDI is notorious for. No more ad-blue, no more issues with DPF and SCR, no more issues with ad-blue heater. Overall it leads to less wear on turbo's and EGR valve. Outside of turbo failure, or HPFP failure, I cant see many other things to worry about. It could be short sighted of me, but the power is unreal.

If I do have issues I have all the parts and can tune it back to stock. I know on the Audi side they flag you for ANY changes made to the ECU, whether the tune is stock or not, so I figured if I am going to do it, why not go big. I would have to enquire with Malone, but I am wondering if tune without delete leads to faster DPF failure or regeneration.
Well, I guess my last question is this. Since my wife commutes in the car. Do you think she'd notice the smell and additional black smoke in the rear view mirror?
 

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I had this same dilemma actually. I didn't make a point of bringing it up and she hasn't said anything. Unless you are letting your TDI idle in enclosed spaces I would say its unnoticeable. Since its winter I haven't had much of an opportunity to roll the windows down, but if you sit in traffic with the windows down in the summer I would say you might notice it. Its definitely NOT noticeable in the cabin.

As far as driving and seeing smoke, I notice it because i am looking for it, but after a week my wife hasn't said anything. If you had someone following you and you floor it, you would give them a pretty solid cloud.

All that said, I love the performance gains.
 

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I had this same dilemma actually. I didn't make a point of bringing it up and she hasn't said anything. Unless you are letting your TDI idle in enclosed spaces I would say its unnoticeable. Since its winter I haven't had much of an opportunity to roll the windows down, but if you sit in traffic with the windows down in the summer I would say you might notice it. Its definitely NOT noticeable in the cabin.

As far as driving and seeing smoke, I notice it because i am looking for it, but after a week my wife hasn't said anything. If you had someone following you and you floor it, you would give them a pretty solid cloud.

All that said, I love the performance gains.
LOL. This is about what I figured. I'd like to just do the delete's and be done with it. She doesn't floor it much so I doubt she'd notice. But she works for IDEM (indiana department of enviromental management) Which is basically state level EPA in air quality. Kinda funny either way.

Got any video of it rolling coal? ;)
 

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I'm thinking Fix then tune - but no delete. I'm sure they absolutely neutered the shifting behavior with the fix.
 

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Oh ya, that reminds me, one more question.

Does the malone tune have a "stock" tune. Is the malone "stock" tune still improved over the fix in terms of shift patterns and such?
 

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So when you say "stock tune" that means the way it operates today after the dieselgate fix.

If you are going to make minimal changes to the current post fix settings you would do a stage 1 tune with no delete. This would put the shift points back to where they belong (my understanding) and optimize fuel and boost delivery.
 

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I run stage 2 tune with out deletes on my 2011. I have zero issued with DPF, DEF, HPFP, or even passing emissions. The last road trip I took I hit 750 miles on one tank of fuel. The second tank I've hit 1/2 a tank at 412 miles. I also have 165,500 miles on the vehicle.

I'm due for the VW fix in a few weeks. Then I will tune it again and keep the emissions systems.
 

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I got a Malone with EGR/DEF delete and resonator (keep it quiet). The difference was mind blowing. t doesn't "roll coal" like the trucks. Just a light puff of gray...and the truck is gone. My daughter followed me home from AARodriguez in Atlanta and she said it looked awesome every time I pushed the gas. Just an even puff of smoke, and she said my Treg shot away.

Would I do it all over again? Heck yes, and twice on Sunday
 

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Completed Malone Stage 2.0 tune deleted Adblue the DPF and SCR canisters and added a Rawtek mid exhaust section. Results are well worth the time and effort. Granted ours is a MY 2012, you’ll see significant increases in HP and Torque with newer engine design. So far (been a couple months). Very pleased and would do it again in a heartbeat. Mileage has increased, slight carbon showing inside tail pipe. I don’t smell Diesel exhaust at idle (well not like my 7.3 powerstrokes) and the exhaust note is not really that much different, inside cabin than stock. Overall a great mod.

Do it....

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I got a flashzilla and should be able to install a stage 2 by tomorrow. I had to wait for them to acquire and upload the "new" stock tune to their database. They emailed me today and say they now have the file.

I'll update on how it goes!
 

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Stage 2 installed. I really like it. Throttle response is much quicker. Turbo seems to spool up faster. The biggest difference seems to be at highway speeds. Passing acceleration is amazing.

I did NOT do the DPF/EGR delete, but I may in the future. I don't know if it will make a ton of difference. I doubt the power would be noticeable, but it may get better mileage.

With this new tune, my 2016 actually feels faster than my V10 did.
 

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What is the difference between Stage 1 and Stage 2? I assume it's just higher boost and more fuel?

Any concerns about long term reliability with super high boost pressures?
 
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