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CarPlay retrofit in 2013 Touareg 7P with Kremer Sino Box - quick report

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For my 7P Touareg TDI, I had searched for an up to date wireless CarPlay retrofit solutions, but was put off by the overly complicated need to tap into CAN bus lines and even installing a new microphone. Prices were also all over the place.

So when I found the Kremer Sino 5G Box (a little Linux computer) on YT and Aliexpress, it caught my eye, since this system claims to use the OEM microphone and taps the CAN bus behind the climate controller with a plug-in harness. The price was also quite good, $220 with shipping. I have't found reports specifically for the Touareg and the Kremer Sino Box, hence this writeup.

After ordering, the seller communicated well to make sure that they knew the exact model of head unit, in this case the RSN850-B (black volume knob). The package took less than a week to arrive from China to CA.

I also got a trim removal kit from Amazon, since I expected having to deal with that. Didn't really use much of it, but it's an amazing value for the money, and really sturdy stuff.

The Kremer Sino 5G Box arrived well packaged. The product is also professionally made, with the little Linux computer box and a couple of harnesses in the package. I leaflet explains the harness connections, and the YT video are also helpful here. A small manual goes into the functionality of the box, which is more then just CarPlay (camera stuff and Android Auto), but not that relevant to me.

Before installation, I made sure to follow the instructions that read: "TURN OFF engine, close and open driver door ONCE, wait for screen turn black". Not sure why, maybe some CAN bus magic...

For the installation, the biggest item is removing the glove box. I studied the VW manuals for that, and one mainly has to make sure to remove and unplug both the foot well light and glove compartment lamp prior to the glove compartment removal. Also, putting support (like a cardboard box) tightly under the glove compartment is important, so that it does not break off while held by a single screw. Some elevating support also makes sure that the cables are not stretched.

The climate controller popped out easily with the spatula from the trim kit.

Connecting the harness cables was fairly easy, I took my time to ensure everything is connected as indicated. The included USB cable was run into the glove compartment (there was an unused break out), but haven't used it yet, since CarPlay is wireless.

Basically, the Linux box eavesdrops on the CAN bus and media signals, and then switches the video output to CarPlay when desired.

Before I put the glove compartment back, I tested the system out, and it worked right away. After that I put the Linux box into the space behind the climate controller (plenty) and reinstalled the glove compartment. I forgot to put the AC hose back on, so had to redo. Then I realized that I hadn't pulled the lamp cable through, so will have to redo for that once more... should be quick now.

As for the system, it works a treat! Connection discovery is via BT initially and then switches to Wifi. Once set up the iPhone automatically connects when the ignition is on and CarPlay appears on screen!

The steering wheel left buttons for volume and next/back work too, the middle button fires up Siri. There is no stop/start.

I also tested the microphone, and it works fine. Have yet to find any real problem, the integration is really well done. Even the Google maps display changes from day to night when the auto headlights signal 'it's dark out', e.g when driving through a tunnel.

One snafu was that I didn't have sound for Spotify, but it turned out that my phone was connecting to the Touareg via BT separately for sound. Also, CarPlay sound is run via auxiliary input, so the Touareg media input has to be set to AUX.

Overall, I can very much recommend this product, both for ease of installation and functionality, and great value.

Edit: Installation video - #20 newer installation video posted by @jimi1508.

Edit: USB port - Running the USB port into the center console seems the better option. A cheap cable provides a real USB socket in an unused cutout there (at least in some trim levels). Link to cable in post #106.

Edit: Android Auto - #66 feedback on Android usage and installation pictures from @blacksheep196. The manufacturer recommends using Android Auto via cable for maximum stability.

Edit: CarPlay & Installation pictures - #83 from @VdubTech
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There is this review and only one on the manufacturer's web site.
I am concerned that this might be vaporware or a seller's post since there are not a lit of posts from the OP.
Do you have more pictures and other indicators of a legitimate product.
I am interested in this unit, but I would like a little more indication that it is legitimate.
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Ha ha, yeah, I hear you. Better safe then sorry.

Happy to oblige, here some pictures of the Ksmart module and the installation. NB, the harnesses are already installed in these pictures.

LMK if you have any questions.



















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Well it seems that switching is better through SETUP button than NAV. Did you try it also with Android phone?
I am also curious to see if it works with Android.
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I decided to order one to see how long it takes to get here and if it works as advertised. My worry is that the original poster does not have a long history and may be the seller drumming up business.
We will see how well it works in actual life here in Florida USA.
I hope it works with android like it says it does on the website.
I had a rented (by Geico) Pacifica minivan while out Touareg was being repaired and I really like the ability to use Waze and Pandora easily. The outmoded RNS 850 and no upgrade other than an add on radio of suspect quality is not a good choice. Perhaps this system that adds functionality with "plug and play" wiring will work out. I hope so and am gambling $237.48 to test it out for the group!
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Thanks @redbarron55, keep us posted on the install and if it works out for you.
Wow, still skeptical, eh? Fair enough, but I ain't no shill... just what a shill would say ;-)

I haven't tried with Android, since I live in Apple land and don't know anyone with an Android phone. But will keep that in mind if the occasion arises.
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Hey Krischan,

This looks super promising! Couple questions for you if you don't mind.

1. Can any button be repurposed for CarPlay activation? Im thinking the Traffic button as I never use it...
2. Once this is in place is Bluetooth on the regular RNS disabled? Or do you have to switch back and forth?

Thanks for posting all this great info.

Cheers,
James
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@James B : It's easy enough to turn off the RNS850 Bluetooth function in the Settings menu(s) if another device will be handling hands-free functions. --g
Hi James,

Good idea, but I don't think that the button for the module activation is changeable from SETUP; at least I didn't see an option for that on the device or in the manual. There is an advanced factory menu though, I will check that out when I get a chance.

The BT of the RNS is unaffected, my iPhone still shows both CarPlay and the RNS as calling and streaming options. The Ksmart module is a completely separate computer that just smartly highjacks the RNS system input/output but otherwise leaves it alone I believe. I will probably unpair the RNS BT from my iPhone, to avoid confusion and since I prefer using CarPlay for everything.

Cheers,
Krischan
Hi James,

Good idea, but I don't think that the button for the module activation is changeable from SETUP; at least I didn't see an option for that on the device or in the manual. There is an advanced factory menu though, I will check that out when I get a chance.

The BT of the RNS is unaffected, my iPhone still shows both CarPlay and the RNS as calling and streaming options. The Ksmart module is a completely separate computer that just smartly highjacks the RNS system input/output but otherwise leaves it alone I believe. I will probably unpair the RNS BT from my iPhone, to avoid confusion and since I prefer using CarPlay for everything.

Cheers,
Krischan
Thanks for the quick reply. Another one, and forgive me if you mentioned this earlier, but if the Setup button is now an activator for Carplay is there still a way to get to the Setup menu?

All the best,
James
Thanks for the quick reply. Another one, and forgive me if you mentioned this earlier, but if the Setup button is now an activator for Carplay is there still a way to get to the Setup menu?

All the best,
James
Yes, all the menus on the RNS are still accessible and the same. It's like flipping TV channels, you can go back and forth any time you want. From CarPlay one can also use the "KSmart" app that appears (see photo, grey icon w/ KS in circle) to return to RNS.

As to your earlier question about changing the activation button, no such option in the advanced factory menu.
Great write up..Looks promising for sure. How does it effect the camera and camera quality? I have 360 cameras and was wondering how that played out? Thanks for any info.
Great write up..Looks promising for sure. How does it effect the camera and camera quality? I have 360 cameras and was wondering how that played out? Thanks for any info.
I had my hopes up that my factory rear camera image would improve, since this box claims AHD video support (analog hi-def?). But the image quality of my OEM camera didn't change. So it probably doesn't support this standard.

However, in the settings menus there are options for 360 cameras (front and rear), and also more specific NTSC/PAL and AHD up to 720p. I don't know if this is for OEM or aftermarket though.

You could always ask the seller, they've been responsive and helpful on the Aliexpress messaging system. I asked a bunch of stuff before I pulled the trigger.
Hey..Thanks for the quick answer. I had hoped you would say it improved as well. Definitely the OEM camera is not great..does the trick...but just barely at night in low light. Thats when I find it to be a problem. It appeared to be different in their image..at least of the guidelines but couldn't tell about quality. Well it still seems like a solid unit for a reasonable price.
The seller also has cameras (I think) and I would like to see if their rear view camera was better, but I hate to lose the calibration and functions of the old one. However I have often wanted a front camera to see how close I am to something up there. Do the cameras function function through the add on box or the RNS850?
@redbarron55 : The RNS850/MMI3GP main unit in the glovebox has no video-in capability, as such -- the OE RVC video signal is sent from the RVC control module J772 (which adds the guidelines based on steering angle info on the CANBUS) directly to the console display based on CANBUS information (that is, when reverse gear is engaged). Most of these after-market RVC solutions by-pass J772 and send their RVC video signal to the add-on CarPlay control box. --g
just saw that these guys posted a new install video for the -s model of the box yesterday

I'm very interested in this new carplay option so if anyone gets one here in the short term id love to hear your experience with it....

Krischan thanks for the initial post! I've been thinking of getting the JoyeAuto for a long time now but this install seems a little more straight forward....
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