Man those are nice looking! I can't fathom what they will end up costing though

 

$5000ish depending on the size. If you click the link it shows the prices of the universal ones.

 

@Aaron A

 

You have an iron memory. You're terrible.

 

Considering the Cayenne came stock with engine configurations like the 542hp Turbo S, or over 700hp with the newer hybrid models and the stock brakes are track worthy even for those vehicles... clearly we're all going to need to get these for our ~200hp diesels.

 

They are big heavy girls and it would be good when towing. It's nice to have options available. I would not call an SUV track-worthy ever especially one that weighs 5000lbs

 

 

Personally, I'm a little disappointed that no one is offering 3D printed Brake Nodes for these eggs yet....

 

Here... I asked my friend "AI" to whip one up for me... the genius can't even spell, but the brakenode sure is pretty

 

 

They are big heavy girls and it would be good when towing. It's nice to have options available. I would not call an SUV track-worthy ever especially one that weighs 5000lbs

See Casio's reply below.

The only advantages to these brakes are reduced unsprung weight, and reduced high temp brake fade. Keep in mind that you can go a long long long ways to reducing brake fade with performance/race oriented brake pads and high boiling temp fluid, so you'd need an application where you've already done that, and are still getting brake fade! On a vehicle with as good of brakes as a Touareg, that is only going to be during a real race on a track. If you've already spent thousands in upgrading your brakes for track use, and are still chasing fade issues and lower lap times- this makes sense, but the idea that you'd want this for towing on public roads is just silly.

If you're any getting thermal brake fade towing even with totally stock brakes, there is something very dangerously wrong with your setup or driving technique- a heavy trailer should be braking itself, and not putting any brake load at all on the tow vehicle. The Touareg brakes are already massively heavier duty than what you'll find on other vehicles with this size and tow capacity.

I do a lot of steep/high altitude alpine towing with a totally unbraked trailer around 2,000lbs - to tow a sailboat to mountain lakes, and my brakes are pretty much always cool to the touch, because I use mostly engine braking to keep the brakes cool for a potential emergency stop. This is above the rated unbraked capacity, and in really unusually extreme terrain that pretty much nobody else tows in, and I'm still really really far from having thermal issues with my brakes.

When I don't have a trailer, I often drive my Touareg hard on mountain roads, and pretty much never get brake fade, even driving flat out on long downhill sections. And I have the smaller factory brakes that fit 17" wheels.

People in Porsche clubs do track Cayennes, and a lot of the clubs even have SUV only track days. They handle well, and post impressive sports car worthy lap times. However, you'd need to be much more serious about racing than a casual PCA event or HDPE event to need brakes like this on a Cayenne.

I had a great response brewing in my head but you hit a home run with this one so carry on.

 

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It just doesn't seem to stop very well compared to some other vehicles I have driven. I can feel the weight pushing through the brakes. The brakes are fairly new as they were new when I bought it. The pedal does feel soft which I'm not really a fan of either, it's almost like I have to double-tap the pedal to get it to firm up. I'm used to a sensitive pedal where it is immediately firm.

What you are talking about - pedal effort and firmness, has nothing to do with actual braking performance or capacity, and will not be improved by upgrading the brakes themselves. You can still simply press the brake pedal harder, and the brakes will fully lock, giving you the maximum physically possible braking limited only by your tires. I can't emphasize how important this is, if you want anywhere near maximum braking in an emergency: you have to press the pedal hard enough to lock the brakes and activate the ABS. A car that requires less pedal effort does not necessarily have better brakes or shorter stopping distances.

You could look into the brake booster, brake fluid, and brake lines to affect pedal effort/feel/travel, but not the brake calipers, pads, or rotors themselves.

In fact, higher performance brakes will usually require more fluid volume to move the calipers, and higher initial temperatures to get full braking capacity: the things you are talking about would generally be worse on a higher performance braking system, not better. Touareg and Cayenne models with the larger higher performance brake configurations require slightly more pedal effort and pedal travel than the models with smaller brakes.

The only point of bigger brakes is increased thermal capacity- if you're not using the brakes hard for a long enough time to overheat them and cause fade or fluid boiling, bigger brakes won't help. Even small brakes have more than enough capacity to be limited only by tire traction when they're not overheated.

Also, these Touaregs don't have trailer brake modules on them so there is no way to hook up trailer brakes so the vehicle's brakes do all the braking just fyi

This makes no sense. You absolutely need trailer brakes to use anywhere near the full tow capacity of the Touareg. It doesn't come with a controller, but is pre-wired for one, you can simply plug one into the harness, or use hydraulic surge brakes that require no brake controller.

 

What you are talking about - pedal effort and firmness, has nothing to do with actual braking performance or capacity, and will not be improved by upgrading the brakes themselves. You can still simply press the brake pedal harder, and the brakes will fully lock, giving you the maximum physically possible braking limited only by your tires. I can't emphasize how important this is, if you want anywhere near maximum braking in an emergency: you have to press the pedal hard enough to lock the brakes and activate the ABS. A car that requires less pedal effort does not necessarily have better brakes or shorter stopping distances.

You could look into the brake booster, brake fluid, and brake lines to affect pedal effort/feel/travel, but not the brake calipers, pads, or rotors themselves.

In fact, higher performance brakes will usually require more fluid volume to move the calipers, and higher initial temperatures to get full braking capacity: the things you are talking about would generally be worse on a higher performance braking system, not better. Touareg and Cayenne models with the larger higher performance brake configurations require slightly more pedal effort and pedal travel than the models with smaller brakes.

The only point of bigger brakes is increased thermal capacity- if you're not using the brakes hard for a long enough time to overheat them and cause fade or fluid boiling, bigger brakes won't help. Even small brakes have more than enough capacity to be limited only by tire traction when they're not overheated.



This makes no sense. You absolutely need trailer brakes to use anywhere near the full tow capacity of the Touareg. It doesn't come with a controller, but is pre-wired for one, you can simply plug one into the harness, or use hydraulic surge brakes that require no brake controller.

Don't bother wasting your breath on him, let him go and buy an RSQ8 or Urus in his dreams if the Touareg's brakes are supposedly not good enough FFS

 

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It just doesn't seem to stop very well compared to some other vehicles I have driven. I can feel the weight pushing through the brakes. The brakes are fairly new as they were new when I bought it. The pedal does feel soft which I'm not really a fan of either, it's almost like I have to double-tap the pedal to get it to firm up. I'm used to a sensitive pedal where it is immediately firm. Also, these Touaregs don't have trailer brake modules on them so there is no way to hook up trailer brakes so the vehicle's brakes do all the braking just fyi

You buy a brake controller and plug it into the factory brake controller port under the steering wheel. Doesn't get any easier.

I'm sure it can be added with an aftermarket module but that's not the point. The point was it's not integrated within the systems.

It is fully integrated though, there are brake and anti-sway logic (hundreds of extra maps) programmed directly into the ECU and towing module that are activated as soon as you plug into the factory tow plug

What you are talking about - pedal effort and firmness, has nothing to do with actual braking performance or capacity, and will not be improved by upgrading the brakes themselves. You can still simply press the brake pedal harder, and the brakes will fully lock, giving you the maximum physically possible braking limited only by your tires. I can't emphasize how important this is, if you want anywhere near maximum braking in an emergency: you have to press the pedal hard enough to lock the brakes and activate the ABS. A car that requires less pedal effort does not necessarily have better brakes or shorter stopping distances.

You could look into the brake booster, brake fluid, and brake lines to affect pedal effort/feel/travel, but not the brake calipers, pads, or rotors themselves.

In fact, higher performance brakes will usually require more fluid volume to move the calipers, and higher initial temperatures to get full braking capacity: the things you are talking about would generally be worse on a higher performance braking system, not better. Touareg and Cayenne models with the larger higher performance brake configurations require slightly more pedal effort and pedal travel than the models with smaller brakes.

The only point of bigger brakes is increased thermal capacity- if you're not using the brakes hard for a long enough time to overheat them and cause fade or fluid boiling, bigger brakes won't help. Even small brakes have more than enough capacity to be limited only by tire traction when they're not overheated.



This makes no sense. You absolutely need trailer brakes to use anywhere near the full tow capacity of the Touareg. It doesn't come with a controller, but is pre-wired for one, you can simply plug one into the harness, or use hydraulic surge brakes that require no brake controller.

Fantastic post again 👍

And for the record, my bone stock Brembo's locked up ABS with my 20' speed boat in tow going roughly 44 mph down a hill when someone pulled out in front of me at the bottom most portion of the downhill descent. Brakes aren't an issue on the Touareg.

 

You buy a brake controller and plug it into the factory brake controller port under the steering wheel. Doesn't get any easier.





It is fully integrated though, there are brake and anti-sway logic (hundreds of extra maps) programmed directly into the ECU and towing module that are activated as soon as you plug into the factory tow plug



Fantastic post again 👍

And for the record, my bone stock Brembo's locked up ABS with my 20' speed boat in tow going roughly 44 mph down a hill when someone pulled out in front of me at the bottom most portion of the downhill descent. Brakes aren't an issue on the Touareg.

I follow slow drivers pretty closely most the time (y'know, the ones who drive 20 below the limit in the overtaking lane) and haven't ever had issues stopping. I can't even count 5 times in the 5+ years I've owned the car which I've had to lock up the brakes, and I drive pretty aggressively and have aftermarket pads and rotors on my car.

I mean the brakes are better than most dual cabs and mid size SUV's here which are a lot newer, but hey, I wouldn't know right? I'm only a 19 year old driving around in daddy's old car🤷‍♂️

 

Oh man, I forgot about this...

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Damn they have AI songs too now🤣

 

I've had quite a few family and friends complain that my Touareg has "bad brakes" when I've loaned it to them- So I know exactly what Aaron and OP are talking about. In every single case, they owned a modern Japanese car- usually a Nissan, Toyota, or Subaru in particular that had very grabby brakes with a huge amount of boost/assist, and weren't used to the higher pedal effort required on a Touareg.

They don't know what "bad brakes" means- their undersized single piston sliding caliper brakes on those cars, that grab really hard with a light pedal press, can't be modulated properly, and fade quickly unless you drive really gently, are actually "bad" and the Touareg brakes are what a proper high performance braking system with large vented rotors and monoblock calipers feels like.

Those same cars also tend to have really low torque/high rpm 4 cylinder engines, which they 'hide' by having a really sensitive throttle and a transmission that aggressively downshifts with light throttle application. So those same drivers will also tell me the Touareg feels slow/sluggish, despite being a much more powerful vehicle with a lot more torque and a flat torque curve- for exactly the same reason they think it has bad brakes.

It is nauseating to ride in those cars with "good brakes" and a "powerful engine" because the pedals are so sensitive they can't be modulated properly... the cars are impossible to drive smoothly. To me it just feels cheap- like a low end video game controller or kids toy musical instrument that lacks proper variable actuation on the controls so you get binary 'all or nothing.' If you paired those bad controls with an actually powerful brake system or engine, it would be undriveable.

Small wonder the Touareg didn't make it in the North American market, when consumers can't even tell that these systems are better, when the high end parts probably cost VW twice as much.

 

Can attest to this. Every time I brake my sister's 2016 Corolla it feels like I'm brake checking myself

 

I saw a Cayenne Turbo S E-Hybrid parked on the side of the road yesterday, and was shocked by the comically large calipers and carbon rotors. Looks like it just barely fits inside of a 21" wheel.

It was in a wealthy California beach community, no doubt owned by a retiree that never drives it over 25mph, and often complains about the "bad brakes."

(photo is of a random example online, not the exact one I saw)

 

I don't want Ceramic brakes for my GT3, so I have less than zero interest in putting them on the TReg. Get what makes you happy.

 

I definitely enjoy the smooth linear braking of the Touareg. I had never come close to putting them to their limit. I wonder if the OP would get closer to the feel he wants with stainless steel braided lines. I have no experience with SS lines but seems to be a way to firm up the peddle. Might be worth a try and definitely not near as costly.

 

For me changing the brake fluid every 2 years has been fine tbh

 

Time to dig up the dead.... I just grabbed a load of topsoil (~1.25 cubic yards) and I'm tucking my 3500# trailer axle as a result.... this will probably be my last post since I'm on stock size brakes, running aftermarket cheap rotors and pads, and have no trailer brakes.... there's no way I'll ever stop! 🤪

 

NOOOOO YOU NEED CARBON CERAMICS FROM A CAYENNE TURBO S OR YOU WILL VAPORISE NOOOO SAVAGE