All US e-Golfs being recalled

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Oregon TDI

Discussion Starter · Mar 29, 2016

Volkswagen's Electric Car Offensive in the U.S. Just Stalled - Fortune

Volkswagen is recalling all the electric versions of its Golf compacts sold in the U.S., after the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration discovered a fault in their batteries that makes the car stall.

VW began the recall on March 15, due to “oversensitive diagnostics for the high-voltage battery management system (that) may falsely detect an electrical surge resulting in the vehicle’s electric drive motor shutting down unexpectedly.”

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Spiegelglatt

· #81 · Apr 8, 2016

BeemerMikeTX said:
Oh, I'm open. Please tell me why we're giving subsidies to people to buy an e-car?

A powerful group's agenda against independence and freedom in the name of "we know best, you need us to look after you." Now in regards to electric cars (the above goes into everything from food labels to showers you have to runaround in to get wet):

Electric cars have existed for a long time. People have always voted with their wallet for what they buy and it wasn't / still isn't electric. "They" know that we are not dumb enough to buy in masses an electric car with a range less than a 100 year old model T ford (approximately 170-200 miles)...(that doesn't cost more than the median annual salary--Tesla). So...

The subsidy is supposed to sweeten the deal and draw consumers in. Not all at once, but enough to give the e-car a market presence for the next step. Which is: the switch to self driving. This will be "needed" because electrics will have so much weight reduction they are not safe with evil fossil ogre-mobiles... soon our children or grandchildren will grow up and say "my dad / granddad used to be able to drive himself!!"

When we are riding around in community shared / self driving plastic bubbles, we will be able to reflect on the times when we had something: a romance of the automobile and more independence.

It ok if you don't believe this. Just wait and see.

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Oregon TDI

Discussion Starter · #82 · Apr 8, 2016

Which powerful group? Speaking of the one apparently more powerful than Big Oil.

Anyone who buys a new electric car today based 100% on financial incentives isn't a car person by my definition. There's nothing any of us could say to them that would convince them otherwise.

Young people don't have landlines. They don't know what "radio" is. And they're abandoning internal combustion cars. It's starting. Anyone can see that.

In fact they're abandoning the "burden" of car ownership. Uber? Lyft?

There are many forces at play including government folly and corporate greed and wishful thinking. And possibly some truthiness. Me, I have my '15 GTI and '16 Treg TDI. I suspect they're part of internal combustion's Final & Greatest Era.

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Spiegelglatt

· #83 · Apr 8, 2016

Just follow the money and power, yes big oil is a cog. Just like the game monopoly, they hold the bulk of the assets in the world and they who who have the assets really control the board. Obviously this isn't your traditional group of people / puppets.

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Oregon TDI

Discussion Starter · #84 · Apr 8, 2016

Spiegelglatt said:
Just follow the money and power, yes big oil is a cog. Just like the game monopoly, they hold the bulk of the assets in the world and they who who have the assets really control the board. Obviously this isn't your traditional group of people / puppets.

I think we're all in a kind of general agreement that betting on e-cars is just that: Placing a wager. It's a long game of changing the public's perception and demand; building out infrastructure; perfecting the tech itself. Using someone else's dime to do all that if possible.

Meanwhile we hope we're betting on the best technology and beau coup public money's are involved.

That's how our system works.

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tadpole

· #85 · Apr 8, 2016

How do the "people" allow the Tesla Co get a$ 25K rebate for cars that cost $100k when only the 10% can afford them. Where is the outrage in the country. How about a $25K rebate on the other E cars that cost $30K. Of course my tongue is in my cheek. Some day there will be a real E-car that can stand on it's own feet, maybe 20 yrs from now.

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BeemerMikeTX

· #86 · Apr 8, 2016

Oregon TDI said:
I think we're all in a kind of general agreement that betting on e-cars is just that: Placing a wager. It's a long game of changing the public's perception and demand; building out infrastructure; perfecting the tech itself. Using someone else's dime to do all that if possible.

Meanwhile we hope we're betting on the best technology and beau coup public money's are involved.

That's how our system works.

"General agreement"? By whom? No, this is the government picking winners and losers, thinking they can predict technology better than the free market (E good, IC bad), and using the taxpayer's money to push their choice (the taxpayer is the "someone else's dime"). Other innovators with their ideas are on their own.

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ColumbusTouareg

· #87 · Apr 8, 2016

On a safety note, i responded to a head on accident of a drunk driving the wrong way on our freeway last night who hit a car head on. The drunk driver was in a newer chevy cobalt (cavalier) and the person they hit head on at 65MPH was driving a Tesla. The Tesla driver walked away without any injury!!! Unfortunately the drunk driver died at scene! No matter the debate it looks like they have their safety together!

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yuyueyuyue

· #88 · Apr 8, 2016

Statistically, do we know how many of the model 3 preorders were done only because of the tax incentive instead of because how people love the car can bring convenience to their life?

Without a survey like this, any assumption is just... assumption

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BeemerMikeTX

· #89 · Apr 8, 2016

yuyueyuyue said:
Statistically, do we know how many of the model 3 preorders were done only because of the tax incentive instead of because how people love the car can bring convenience to their life?

Without a survey like this, any assumption is just... assumption

The government must believe that the subsidies result in people buying e-cars that they would not buy without the subsidies . . . otherwise why have the subsidies.

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Jimbuffalo

· #90 · Apr 8, 2016

Were there subsidies for those acquiring e-Golfs? I thought this thread was about e-Golfs?

Are they fixed yet? Anyone here own one?

This thread is a good distraction from the going nowhere 400+ pages of TDI dieselgate!

Sure don't hear much about hydraulic fracturing these days...

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Spiegelglatt

· #91 · Apr 8, 2016

Speaking of the government, here is a song I find hilarious and truthful. You can't help but smile when you listen to it:

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Fourdiesel

· #92 · Apr 8, 2016

Oregon TDI said:
What monopoly?

Anytime anyone not a buyer or seller takes an action which interferes with a Law of Supply and Demand transaction [in this case a party not involved in the 'buy a car' transaction - the Government - interferes by offering the rebate or bribe etc] that outside party is supporting or favoring one side over any other outside party - another manufacturer or dealer. THAT is monopolistic.
In a free country, if property is owned the owner must be free to sell to the buyer he wishes at the price he decides is 'right'. Same with the buyer. The "value" is established by the price of the transaction. Higher supply relative to demand results in lower value and higher demand relative to supply results in higher value. A change in value caused by a government kickback of part of the cost of production artificially encourages one part of the equation - in this case the electric car - and thereby DIScourages other possibly buyer choices. THAT leans to monopoly.

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Fourdiesel

· #93 · Apr 8, 2016

ColumbusTouareg said:
On a safety note, i responded to a head on accident of a drunk driving the wrong way on our freeway last night who hit a car head on. The drunk driver was in a newer chevy cobalt (cavalier) and the person they hit head on at 65MPH was driving a Tesla. The Tesla driver walked away without any injury!!! Unfortunately the drunk driver died at scene! No matter the debate it looks like they have their safety together!

This is going to sound crass - but I was relieved when you said the drunk driver was killed. All too often the result is the other way 'round and you hear that the 'mother and 2 children were killed/injured and the drunk walks away and is free to do it again. I DON'T think this accident was a good thing but the result was better than most.

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