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I looked through wikipedia, have read many articles, and saw someone say Aisin but I am hoping it's not true. I was under the impression, and I don't know why, that the 7P Touareg has the classic ZF 8-speed. Is it an Aisin trans? Is it a GOOD transmission? I have not heard great things about the Aisins in the 8-speed Tig/Atlas.
 

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and of course, i found it on the wikipedia page right after posting. it is, indeed an Aisin trans. I'm guessing (hoping) it's pretty stout since the car is so widely used for towing.
 

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As you have found out, yes it is an Aisin transmission and they have a reputation for being good transmissions from everything that I have read. Don't believe the sealed for life don't service it BS.
Some have done a full fluid flush while others, like myself, have done a fluid drain/pan drop/filter swap/magnet clean/new gasket and refill service. I got mine done at ~99k miles and find the transmission shifts smoother and I get slightly higher mpg.
 

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What are you worried about - the Aisin transmission is capable of handling the torque from the 6.0 W12 petrol/gasoline and the 5.0 V10 turbo-diesel which are fitted to Touareg for some markets, rated at 1000 Nm - more than enough for the V6 or V8 versions!
 

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What are you worried about - the Aisin transmission is capable of handling the torque from the 6.0 W12 petrol/gasoline and the 5.0 V10 turbo-diesel which are fitted to Touareg for some markets, rated at 1000 Nm - more than enough for the V6 or V8 versions!
fair enough! I just thought it was the ZF8 and now I’m sad bc I’ve never owned a car with the ZF8 and thought I might get a chance too. No matter. If it’s good, it’s good.
 

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fair enough! I just thought it was the ZF8 and now I’m sad bc I’ve never owned a car with the ZF8 and thought I might get a chance too. No matter. If it’s good, it’s good.
The ZF8 had a stellar reputation to start with but issues have been showing up more recently, particularly when used by Jaguar/Land Rover
 

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Aisin makes world class transmissions. End of story. The one put in the Touareg is a real killer. But, I think you've ignored me, so likely I'm talking to the wall.
 

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Aisin makes world class transmissions. End of story. The one put in the Touareg is a real killer. But, I think you've ignored me, so likely I'm talking to the wall.
I Unignored you. I’ve had a stressful few weeks at work and have been... emotional. Sorry about what I said before :)
 

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I Unignored you. I’ve had a stressful few weeks at work and have been... emotional. Sorry about what I said before :)
Thats very kind of you. No hard feelings.
 

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The Aisin is a great transmission but as said before, change the fluid...I did it at 50K miles when I got it and now at 72K it is still shifting like new.
 

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The ZF is praised for its performance, not for its reliability. If you look you’ll see it’s put mostly in bmw’s, jaguar, land rovers, because it’s true, it shifts very fast and feels like a DSG without its disadvantages.
Aisin is a japanese manufacturer and they deliver their transmissions already oiled up and sealed, so you get japanese quality and reliability.

I haven’t serviced mine yet because I’m still not convinced on doing a full flush or just a drain, and I’m still at 116k km, and shifts great. Someone asked me if it’s a hybrid since it was accelerating so smooth :))
 

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ZF & Aisin themselves specify a fluid change at 70,000 miles / 110,000 km.
 

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Are you comparing engine oil with transmission fluid?

I know plenty of people with Touaregs at 250k km with no transmission fluid change still working perfectly fine.

The thing with ZF or Aisin themselves recommending it I keep hearing about it but never saw a direct source from them.
 

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Aisin automatics between 2000-2004 had issues with clogging in the valve bodies (and thus early death around 150-200k miles.) Somewhere around the 2005 models the issue was "fixed." (I believe by increasing the hydraulic bore sizes in the valves. At least the later transmissions don't seem to have the same valve body issues.)

So an '05 or up Aisin is probably good for a ton of miles, with some fluid changes and reasonable driving habits. But if you have a 2000-2004 Aisin transmission, they tend to be "time bombs," and the odds are very good that you will need a new/rebuilt valve body by 200k. (Fluid changes only seem to help marginally. It's just going to happen to most of them, as a "design feature.") We're talking about everything from Hondas to Volvos in this range, btw, not just VWs.
 

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Mine was also working perfectly fine but after a fluid change the changes were noticeably smoother. The fluid was also dark which itself is a reason to change. I am not sure why you are arguing if you aren't convinced then leave it be.
 

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Aisin automatics between 2000-2004 had issues with clogging in the valve bodies (and thus early death around 150-200k miles.) Somewhere around the 2005 models the issue was "fixed." (I believe by increasing the hydraulic bore sizes in the valves. At least the later transmissions don't seem to have the same valve body issues.)

So an '05 or up Aisin is probably good for a ton of miles, with some fluid changes and reasonable driving habits. But if you have a 2000-2004 Aisin transmission, they tend to be "time bombs," and the odds are very good that you will need a new/rebuilt valve body by 200k. (Fluid changes only seem to help marginally. It's just going to happen to most of them, as a "design feature.") We're talking about everything from Hondas to Volvos in this range, btw, not just VWs.
I understand perfectly but I am talking about a 2015 7P, not the 2004 models from what I understand. Mine is a facelift as well, 2015.
 

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On a previous BMW this was the consensus.

"BMW claims that the gearbox on these vehicles are ‘sealed for life’. If you further quiz them on this statement they deem life at 100,000 miles. Almost any independent or gearbox specialist will recommend gearbox oil & oil filter changes inline with ZF (the gearbox manufacturer for BMW) every 60,000 miles. Trust ZF, they have designed and built this transmission"
 

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On a previous BMW this was the consensus.

"BMW claims that the gearbox on these vehicles are ‘sealed for life’. If you further quiz them on this statement they deem life at 100,000 miles. Almost any independent or gearbox specialist will recommend gearbox oil & oil filter changes inline with ZF (the gearbox manufacturer for BMW) every 60,000 miles. Trust ZF, they have designed and built this transmission"
Do you have a link or some pdf from ZF?
Because that’s my issue, I hear 60k miles, 80k, 30k it’s all over the map and it’s all hearsay.

Same on aisin, ok, fluid has to be changed, but which fluid type, which method, which interval, and where is an official source for it?
 
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