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7P suspension pressures with vcds

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#1 ·
Could someone with vcds check what kind of values you get from following items and are you able to see changes in values when lifting/lowering suspension?

Address 34: Level Control (7P0 907 553 J)

MAS03034-IDE03064 Pressure-Accumulator pressure
MAS03034-MAS01853 Pressure-Left front
MAS03034-MAS01854 Pressure-Right front
MAS03034-MAS01855 Pressure-Left rear
MAS03034-MAS01856 Pressure-Right rear
 
#2 ·
I would help but my Touareg is a steel springer. Good as VCDS is I dont think it is great for air suspension issues as it was developed in the USA which didnt have air suspension as an option. I may of course be wrong!!
 
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#3 ·
Pressures depend on what the ride height is. What are you trying to obtain from these measurements?
 
#6 ·
My values with normal ride height are below and they don’t change at all when lifting/lowering suspension. I would like to know what is normal range of values and why I have such a big difference comparing left/right side and also front/rear balance doesn’t match. Could it be faulty valve block that gives wrong readings?

MAS03034-IDE03064 Pressure-Accumulator pressure 12.9 bar
MAS03034-MAS01853 Pressure-Left front 17.6 bar
MAS03034-MAS01854 Pressure-Right front 30.7 bar
MAS03034-MAS01855 Pressure-Left rear 12.9 bar
MAS03034-MAS01856 Pressure-Right rear 30.7 bar
 
#4 ·
I would suspect that those numbers would be static, except when the suspension was adjusting.

I would also suspect that those numbers would be close, but would vary if you had two identical Touaregs parked side by side.

Sorry that I don't have the typical numbers to give you for those measuring blocks.

You have read the SSP on the air suspension, right? The SSP will at least give you the basics to understand the system.

If nothing else, this gives the post another bump.
 
#7 ·
I would suspect that those numbers would be static, except when the suspension was adjusting.
No. Pressures vary depending on ride height. If the pressures remained static, how would the system go up or down? Higher bag pressure = higher height. Lower bag pressure = lower height.

OP - I’ll get you numbers from my 2015 later.
 
#5 ·

Perhaps useful. VW/Audi/Cayenne all use the same basic system.
 
#12 ·
Alright, on my 2015 at level 3, pressures are:

LF: 9.1
RF: 9.2
LR: 7.6
RR: 6.7

The car was parked on a slightly uneven part of my driveway, which explains why there's a difference of 0.9 between the rears. Also, my Touareg is lowered 30mm from factory specs, so the pressures are about 0.7-1.0 bar lower than a "stock height" Touareg. I rechecked each corner's ride height a few weeks ago and they were all within 3mm of actual height, so the system is calibrated properly.
 
#13 ·
Here are measurements from all corners.

Normal ride height and comfort setting (level 3)

Front left 484mm right 492mm
Rear left 494mm right 497mm

Normal ride height and sport setting (level 2)

Front left 448mm right 456mm
Rear left 463mm right 465mm

Not totally level surface so that should explain small differences comparing left and right. So difference in height is 36mm in front and 31mm in aft between levels 3 and 2. Pressures shown with vcds are always same.
 
#14 ·
There’s definitely something up with the pressure reporting, but if everything’s appears to be working fine, I’d just leave it as is.
 
#19 ·
If you’re adding more air volume, pressure increases.

think of a flat tire on your car. When completely flat, that corner of the car is lowest, with the rim nearly touching the ground. As you increase air pressure (and obviously air volume) the tire fills and raises that corner of the car. The air bags are the same.

OP states his vehicle appears to be functioning properly, and it’s obvisouly impossible for there to be 440psi in an airbag, so I say just ignore the misreading.
 
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#20 ·
If you’re adding more air volume, pressure increases.

think of a flat tire on your car. When completely flat, that corner of the car is lowest, with the rim nearly touching the ground. As you increase air pressure (and obviously air volume) the tire fills and raises that corner of the car. The air bags are the same.
But with a tire the contact area gets smaller and smaller as the pressure increase, thus the actual PSI is the same even as the internal pressure increase?

I assume our bags are constant area? There may be som effects from the increasing size of the side walls.
 
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#24 ·
@chewblekka , as i remember you retrofitted airbags, right? If so, for calibration did you used the old (for 7L or non UDS) procedure or the new one (for UDS vehicles)?
I was thinking to re-calibrate my suspension and dont know if its a good ideea or not. Sometimes, when parked, the front side is lower than rear by a few centimetres. That is one reason, and second, im thinking i can improve the ride quality by doing so. Maybe you can give me some input.
 
#26 ·
I originally used ODIS to calibrate the system, then later VCDS to tweak it. You won’t change the ride quality, that’s mostly based on the damping, which is not adjustable in VCDS, only the 3 position switch.
 
#27 ·
Try 210673 or 20103
 
#32 ·
If you have a legitimate cable, or a newer quality aftermarket cable, you can update the software.