Mine is Non-UDS. I don't think it is possible. Already went through all the dam measuring block numbers with nothing found.
3L TDI / CATA / CNRB - VCDS chain stretch
This post might just break this forum, as just about anyone I've ever met with a 3L TDI wants some sort of ability to check the potential doom of their timing chain skipping.
Edit:
Since there aren't too many users reporting values at the moment, I will keep updating the table for now to provide an easy to read reference.
I strongly suggest that anyone with the ability to post their own details contributes to this so that we can come up with some consensus of potential feasibility.
Here are my values.
CNRB with ~150k (km)
I don't have any noticeable rattle or noise concerns.
You want your enginewarmish fully warmed up before taking the reading.
People with short OCIs and quiet chains report being around the -5 value at about 100-120k miles.
Post your details and let's see if there's any truth to these rumors!
Edit:
Since there aren't too many users reporting values at the moment, I will keep updating the table for now to provide an easy to read reference.
The following information is what I've learned from reading way too many posts on the subject.
User Engine Odometer (k) Adaptation (º) START Rattle (Y/N) OCI (k) SaVAGeSoot CNRB 93 -4.15 N 10 buckwheat CNRB 119 -4.7 Y 10, 6.7 ToolmanJohn CNRB 117 -3.82 N 10 ATSTodd CNRB 159 -4.92 N 10 Suprolla CATA 152 -1.5 N 7.5 DashParr CNRB 209 -2.97 ? ? josiah47 CATA 120 -2.3 N 10 ValveCoverGasket CATA 126 -2.07 N 10 Tyler Scalzo CNRB 102 -2.9 ? 7.5 maintenance247 CNRB 119 -2.59 N 7.5 yeti007 CVVA 59 -3.86 N 8.5 Brendanm CRCA 198 -4.6 Y 10 iSagen CASA 109 -1.85 N 10 VaNSqL CATA 135 -0.86 N 6.2 Goldsburg CNRB 137 -5.0 Y 5 werdna CNRB 127 -3.8 N 5 alfissimo CNRB 83 -4.48 N ? renjean1 CNRB 157 -4.83 ? ? Lance_1 CNRB 230 -5.16 Y ~10 20bugsys CATA 104 -4.15 Y ? mickblouin84 CNRB 186 -15.1 N ? DEZL_PWR CNRB 55 -1.6 N 10 Sceep CNRB 151 -5.12 N 10 Veloch CRCA 127 -3.8 Y 10 nicholaschase29 CNRB 145 -4.55 Y 10 buyingconstant7 CNRB 112 -1.21 N 6.2 keaton85 CNRB 197 -4.55 Y ? Thumper3 CNRB 99 -2.31 N 4.5 Merunrun CNRB 41 -2.6 N ? jatan231 CRCA 107 -1.65 Y ? Dannyboy485 CNRB 130 -2.29 N 10 buyingconstant7 CNRB 180 -3.96 ? 10 drjonez CATA 160 -2.22 Y 10 Weekev CRCA 75 -1.5 Y 6.2 77 K20 CATA 198 -3.19 N 8.5 SlowDown CATA 150 -5.08 Y ? Yareka CNRB 106 -3.16 ? ? Yareka CNRB 326 -6.04 ? ?
I strongly suggest that anyone with the ability to post their own details contributes to this so that we can come up with some consensus of potential feasibility.
Here are my values.
CNRB with ~150k (km)
I don't have any noticeable rattle or noise concerns.
You want your engine
You're interested in the adaptation value. Ideally, it's zero, but as your chains wear, they will get noisy and once you get around -8 to -9 you can expect a failure. At that point you should have a significant amount of rattle, especially on cold startups.Address 01: Engine (7P0 907 401 K)
19:10:21
IDE00021 Engine RPM 713 /min
IDE00025 Coolant temperature 61º C
IDE00182 Camshaft adaptation intake bank 1: phase position -4.15º
IDE00196 Engine oil temperature 59.1º C
People with short OCIs and quiet chains report being around the -5 value at about 100-120k miles.
Post your details and let's see if there's any truth to these rumors!
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Have you asked Uwe at Ross Tech?
Not yetHave you asked Uwe at Ross Tech?
Any audible starting noise\rattle?-4.7 degrees
192,000km / 119,000 miles
Should. I will check later.Does your setup show a label file when you autoscan for the engine module?
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I believe that's where the descriptions would be pulled from.... so you may need to submit controller channel maps to VCDS as they ask users to contribute to their information in order to document everything properly. You can also see this if you have any saved autoscan results as it should list the label files (or the lack if them).
I emailed Andy for some clarification.I believe that's where the descriptions would be pulled from.... so you may need to submit controller channel maps to VCDS as they ask users to contribute to their information in order to document everything properly. You can also see this if you have any saved autoscan results as it should list the label files (or the lack if them).
Hello Jason,
The screen shot appears to be from a UDS protocol gasoline 4-cylinder
but your TDI should use the older CAN protocol with an EDC similar to
the one in this scan:
https://forums.ross-tech.com/index.php?threads/13457/
The complete VCDS Auto-Scan from this vehicle would be very helpful.
If it uses the CAN protocol we may need to review the measuring block
function control module map to see if any cam/crank/timing groups exist.
In that case this page should be helpful:
Ross-Tech: VCDS Tour - Controller Channels Map
Best Regards,
Dana
I will send a full scan to them later today. See what's happening.
The screen shot appears to be from a UDS protocol gasoline 4-cylinder
but your TDI should use the older CAN protocol with an EDC similar to
the one in this scan:
https://forums.ross-tech.com/index.php?threads/13457/
The complete VCDS Auto-Scan from this vehicle would be very helpful.
If it uses the CAN protocol we may need to review the measuring block
function control module map to see if any cam/crank/timing groups exist.
In that case this page should be helpful:
Ross-Tech: VCDS Tour - Controller Channels Map
Best Regards,
Dana
I will send a full scan to them later today. See what's happening.
Synthetic Ravenol Oil 507.00 every 10K miles, every single oil change. No short changes, no extended changes. I was doing my own oil changes starting around 80K miles.
Sunday,24,April,2022,16:08:13:31936
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 22.3.0.1 (x64) HEX-V2 CB: 0.4613.4
Data version: 20220225 DS336.1
www.Ross-Tech.com
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Address 01: Engine (7P0 907 401 K)
16:08:09
IDE00182 Camshaft adaptation intake bank 1: phase position -3.82 °
117,XXX miles
Rattle on dead cold starts 1-2 seconds then gone. Has been there forever.
No idea what adaptation value or where I would find it for this. I was lucky to find that in 5 minutes of scrolling through that monster list of possible logged measurements.
Engine was at full operating temp and idling. 53 degrees out.
Sunday,24,April,2022,16:08:13:31936
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 22.3.0.1 (x64) HEX-V2 CB: 0.4613.4
Data version: 20220225 DS336.1
www.Ross-Tech.com
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Address 01: Engine (7P0 907 401 K)
16:08:09
IDE00182 Camshaft adaptation intake bank 1: phase position -3.82 °
117,XXX miles
Rattle on dead cold starts 1-2 seconds then gone. Has been there forever.
No idea what adaptation value or where I would find it for this. I was lucky to find that in 5 minutes of scrolling through that monster list of possible logged measurements.
Engine was at full operating temp and idling. 53 degrees out.
Guys, if you only list partial information, it doesn't tell us much.
Need to know current milage.
Need to know adaptation value.
Need to know if you have rattle/noise.
Need to know current milage.
Need to know adaptation value.
Need to know if you have rattle/noise.
158,538 milesGuys, if you only list partial information, it doesn't tell us much.
Need to know current milage.
Need to know adaptation value.
Need to know if you have rattle/noise.
IDE00182 Camshaft adaptation intake bank 1: phase position -4.92 °
Rattles for 1-2 seconds when cold, less when recently started. It has not worsened appreciably since we bought it about a year ago. My wife has only put about 11K miles on it.
Added table to post #1 for easy visual review at a glance.
I like the table! To help with the blanks, ours is a '13 CNRB with 10K OCI.Added table to post #1 for easy visual review at a glance.
Thanks for the updateI like the table! To help with the blanks, ours is a '13 CNRB with 10K OCI.
I pick my car up from the shop today or tomorrow. Mine definitely has a ~.25-.5 second rattle on turnover. 2016 TDI / 33K milesAny audible starting noise\rattle?
On cold starts, you'll get that.... I wouldn't sweat it.I pick my car up from the shop today or tomorrow. Mine definitely has a ~.25-.5 second rattle on turnover. 2016 TDI / 33K miles
If it keeps up after the first initial few seconds, then I'd start paying attention to it and possibly checking the phase position more frequently. Either way, you've got lots of dieselgate warranty left over, so no need to stress over it much at this point.
YepOn cold starts, you'll get that.... I wouldn't sweat it.
If it keeps up after the first initial few seconds, then I'd start paying attention to it and possibly checking the phase position more frequently. Either way, you've got lots of dieselgate warranty left over, so no need to stress over it much at this point.
agreed! And yeah it’s less than a half a second, I’ve never heard the sound continue. And the cars in-service was 5/2019 so my factory PT goes to 5/2029 + 100K and dieselgate to 5/2029 + 120K. Crazy amount of factory warranty on this 6 year old beast.On cold starts, you'll get that.... I wouldn't sweat it.
If it keeps up after the first initial few seconds, then I'd start paying attention to it and possibly checking the phase position more frequently. Either way, you've got lots of dieselgate warranty left over, so no need to stress over it much at this point.
I chose it because someone on here said “buy the best/newest Touareg with the most warranty you can afford.” Also, White over Terra Cotta TDI Exec and 21” Mallories😛
sorry, back to the program...
Your factory powertrain goes from date of manufactureagreed! And yeah it’s less than a half a second, I’ve never heard the sound continue. And the cars in-service was 5/2019 so my factory PT goes to 5/2029 + 100K and dieselgate to 5/2029 + 120K. Crazy amount of factory warranty on this 6 year old beast.
I chose it because someone on here said “buy the best/newest Touareg with the most warranty you can afford.” Also, White over Terra Cotta TDI Exec and 21” Mallories😛
sorry, back to the program...
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