[CADman_ks]

Eugene Dave ,

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On my 2012 tdi calibration is easy. When the sensor reads max, the oil level on the dipstick reads just a hair over halfway between min and max. Calibration done. Period.

In defense of Dave here, are people not understanding that the calibration is ONLY GOOD FOR YOU!!?!?!?!

That means that you can NEVER sell this vehicle, UNLESS you sign a piece of paper that says that you will FAITHFULLY tell the new owner that full ON THE DIPSTICK is only halfway between min and max. And, IF you do NOT abide by these rules, you are forbidden from ever selling the vehicle. PERIOD.

The calibration is ONLY good for you. Hell, it isn't even good for your significant other, UNLESS you also take an oath of disclosure that says that you let them know that full is halfway between min and max.

But, even if you do ALL of this, at the end of the day, if the other person forgets that they have been informed, you're still using a tool that is worthless, because there's nothing on the tool indicating that full is halfway between min and max. Full is full, min is min, max is max, on the TOOL that you're using, for everyone else but you! FOREVER. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS!!!

It reminds me of a dial caliper that we used to have at work in QC of all places! The jaws on it were messed up somehow, and you had to add .004" to all readings. However, we did have a "tag" on the caliper that said "+.004". I finally refused to measure anything when I went out there, unless I took my own calipers. You would read the reading, and then you would have to "calibrate" the answer to find out what the actual reading was. And, if you didn't do the math right, you STILL had a bad reading. I think that we finally told someone to take them home for home use, and got a new pair of calipers. AS A TOOL, THESE CALIPERS WERE WORTHLESS, JUST LIKE THE DIPSTICKS THAT YOU ALL ARE "CALIBRATING".

Dave's analogy of the tire shop was spot on, and exactly the point that he's been trying to make since the beginning...

 

[noobytoogy]

Sorry, but what point was he making?

Anyway I still can't work out who the dipstick is that everyone is referring to but with 101 posts mentioning him he must be a total plonker.

 

[CADman_ks]

Sorry, but what point was he making?
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LOL...

Don't use calipers that aren't calibrated to the gnat's ass...

 

[Eugene-Dave-1]

A moderator should add a post at the top of the thread clearly stating this thread is full of factually inaccurate information about what dipstick to use in a 2011 or newer TDI.

 

[nickm]

A moderator should add a post at the top of the thread clearly stating this thread is full of factually inaccurate information about what dipstick to use in a 2011 or newer TDI.

I don't think we should go that far, the forum is by definition a series of opinions. There is nothing abut this forum that is "legal" "official" "a consumer action forum" or otherwise the source of truth. Readers can read whatever they chose and make whatever decision they want.

All that said I do admit I check my oil about 100X more frequently using the digital guage then I ever would using the dipstick. I wonder if the temp and fuel guages are accurate? Perhaps we should put a thermometer on the rad and a dipstick in the fuel tank to "make sure"

 

[Niner]

In defense of Dave here, are people not understanding that the calibration is ONLY GOOD FOR YOU!!?!?!?!

That means that you can NEVER sell this vehicle, UNLESS you sign a piece of paper that says that you will FAITHFULLY tell the new owner that full ON THE DIPSTICK is only halfway between min and max. And, IF you do NOT abide by these rules, you are forbidden from ever selling the vehicle. PERIOD.

The calibration is ONLY good for you. Hell, it isn't even good for your significant other, UNLESS you also take an oath of disclosure that says that you let them know that full is halfway between min and max.

But, even if you do ALL of this, at the end of the day, if the other person forgets that they have been informed, you're still using a tool that is worthless, because there's nothing on the tool indicating that full is halfway between min and max. Full is full, min is min, max is max, on the TOOL that you're using, for everyone else but you! FOREVER. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS!!!

It reminds me of a dial caliper that we used to have at work in QC of all places! The jaws on it were messed up somehow, and you had to add .004" to all readings. However, we did have a "tag" on the caliper that said "+.004". I finally refused to measure anything when I went out there, unless I took my own calipers. You would read the reading, and then you would have to "calibrate" the answer to find out what the actual reading was. And, if you didn't do the math right, you STILL had a bad reading. I think that we finally told someone to take them home for home use, and got a new pair of calipers. AS A TOOL, THESE CALIPERS WERE WORTHLESS, JUST LIKE THE DIPSTICKS THAT YOU ALL ARE "CALIBRATING".

Dave's analogy of the tire shop was spot on, and exactly the point that he's been trying to make since the beginning...

Utter BS. I would pull the dipstick and put the original cap back on. Problem solved for new owner. On a Touareg, you'd be hard pressed to find a Significant Other even capable of finding the dipstick to check it, let alone fill it. Hell, none of them even RTFM, let alone read a dipstick.

 

[Niner]

I don't think we should go that far, the forum is by definition a series of opinions. There is nothing abut this forum that is "legal" "official" "a consumer action forum" or otherwise the source of truth. Readers can read whatever they chose and make whatever decision they want.

All that said I do admit I check my oil about 100X more frequently using the digital guage then I ever would using the dipstick. I wonder if the temp and fuel guages are accurate? Perhaps we should put a thermometer on the rad and a dipstick in the fuel tank to "make sure"

The temp gauge is not accurate. Buy a scan Gauge II or run the Torque App for raw data, and you'd know that needle sits flat and doesn't move from 170F to 220F. I've verified it trailering across I-15 in the desert when it was 113F out in Baker, CA last August on my way to Breckenridge, CO. I verify the 170F reading on scan gauge showing the needle straight up at 190F, on every single drive I do here in So Cal where the car warms up fully, which is almost every single drive.

It is for this exact reason that I don't trust the vendors that supply VW's sensors. Especially anything made by Bosch. Bosch Electronics is the Lucas Prince of Darkness of the 21st Century. Crappy failing MAF's, temp sensors, ignition plug packs etc, have plagued all VW's for close to 20 years now. I'd be ignorant to trust a sensor on a VW, because they are known fail items. Hell, even VW Dipsticks are known fail items on V-10's. But at least when a dipstick fails, you can verify easily that the tip fell off.

YMMV... I've owned more VW's all of my driving life to know a trend when I see it. Same vendors make the sensors for all the VW lineup... VW stresses commonality for maintaining a smaller inventory of parts numbers, world wide.

 

[nickm]

The temp gauge is not accurate. Buy a scan Gauge II or run the Torque App for raw data, and you'd know that needle sits flat and doesn't move from 170F to 220F. I've verified it trailering across I-15 in the desert when it was 113F out in Baker, CA last August on my way to Breckenridge, CO. I verify the 170F reading on scan gauge showing the needle straight up at 190F, on every single drive I do here in So Cal where the car warms up fully, which is almost every single drive.

It is for this exact reason that I don't trust the vendors that supply VW's sensors. Especially anything made by Bosch. Bosch Electronics is the Lucas Prince of Darkness of the 21st Century. Crappy failing MAF's, temp sensors, ignition plug packs etc, have plagued all VW's for close to 20 years now. I'd be ignorant to trust a sensor on a VW, because they are known fail items. Hell, even VW Dipsticks are known fail items on V-10's. But at least when a dipstick fails, you can verify easily that the tip fell off.

YMMV... I've owned more VW's all of my driving life to know a trend when I see it. Same vendors make the sensors for all the VW lineup... VW stresses commonality for maintaining a smaller inventory of parts numbers, world wide.

I don't recall a run of 2013s running dry of oil...nor do I recall a run of 2013s with failed oil level sensors. The oil level sensor is a Porsche design requirement - thats why you see it in every Porsche but not every VW. So is the supply chain on sensors for Porsche just as bad as VW?

I personally don't care what people do, but quoting a PN for a dipstick when its not correctly calibrated for the vehicle is misleading...some people are bringing that piece of information to the forefront and they are being criticized for it. Its an important piece of info and the balance of information is important ie: sure you can tun this dipstick BUT keep in mind some factors.

 

[Spyder]

The temp gauge is not accurate. Buy a scan Gauge II or run the Torque App for raw data, and you'd know that needle sits flat and doesn't move from 170F to 220F...

On BMWs, and perhaps other cars, the temp guage is purposely desensitized mid-range (so that the needle appears to be "pinned" at the benign center position) to discourage owner (warranty) claims that their vehicle is running too hot or too cold. Or, at least that's what I've been told by a BMW mechanic.

And while I'm on the subject of BMW's--I've owned several, while the 2011 TDI is my first VW--their virtual dipsticks are not especially reliable. Both my 07 650 and 08 535 were prone to "add a quart" warnings when, in fact, the crankcase was full. That could lead to disaster as aerated oil makes for a lousy lubricant. At least the 650, which I still own, has a physical dipstick, although this fact is somehow missing from the owner's manual

Spyder

 

[CADman_ks]

Utter BS. I would pull the dipstick and put the original cap back on. Problem solved for new owner. On a Touareg, you'd be hard pressed to find a Significant Other even capable of finding the dipstick to check it, let alone fill it. Hell, none of them even RTFM, let alone read a dipstick.

It ISN'T BS though, and I defend what I said, AND what Dave is saying.

While YOU might do the "right" thing, and replace the errant dipstick with the cap, I think that it's probably safe to say that most people would NOT. Those people that do NOT should be held responsible for any damage that happens from them NOT rememebering to remove said instrument, but they won't be. Out of sight, out of mind.

That is the point that no one seems to be getting, and that is NOT BS, anyway you slice it...

 

[mntcple]

I wanted to share that the dipstick listed from idparts on the first post in this thread does not show any level on my Touareg. I was excited to have something that I could mark and use to compare to the read out inside, but this dipstick comes back out clean without showing any oil on the stick. My build date is 9/11.

 

[tmann45]

I wanted to share that the dipstick listed from idparts on the first post in this thread does not show any level on my Touareg. I was excited to have something that I could mark and use to compare to the read out inside, but this dipstick comes back out clean without showing any oil on the stick. My build date is 9/11.

What level does your electronic dipstick show?

 

[Fourdiesel]

I wanted to share that the dipstick listed from idparts on the first post in this thread does not show any level on my Touareg. I was excited to have something that I could mark and use to compare to the read out inside, but this dipstick comes back out clean without showing any oil on the stick. My build date is 9/11.

Is there a dealer or anyone in this club convenient to you where you can compare the length of your new dipstick with another one. If the other one is a bit longer you might try using it to see if it touches oil. Another trick I've discovered on my V10 is to wait at least 10 minutes with the dipstick (or cap) off the tube. It takes some time for oil to flow up the tube so a correct level is reached.

 

[Niner]

I wanted to share that the dipstick listed from idparts on the first post in this thread does not show any level on my Touareg. I was excited to have something that I could mark and use to compare to the read out inside, but this dipstick comes back out clean without showing any oil on the stick. My build date is 9/11.

What does your oil sensor read on flat level ground?

 

[mntcple]

My level indicator on the internal display, on flat level ground, shows full. I left the dipstick in and drove over 100 miles and it had residue on it when I first pulled it out, but no level shows when it is reinserted after being wiped off. I will make a dipstick out of some wire that is a couple inches longer than the new orange handled garage wall ornament and try to get a distance from the top of the tube to the oil.

I have years of industrial maintenance experience have rebuilt several engines without issue, but not having a dipstick on this engine is making me crazy!

 

[56073]

For my 2013 TDI, I did order the dipstick P/N 059-115-611-AA and when I put it in, the oïl level is about 1/2 inch over the tip plastic bulb (and it's fine with me...)

The electronics show that I could have about 1/8 to 1/4 of litre to have it full.

I will make a small mark with a file on the dipstick on my next oïl change.

 

[mntcple]

The VW part number sticker was removed from the one idparts sold me. It measures 21 inches long from where the handle sits on the top of the dip tube to the bottom end of the grey plastic. The over all length is 23.75 inches. Can any one else post how long theirs are?

 

[56073]

My dipstick (P/N 059-115-611-AA ) is 22'' long from the end of the tip to the small flange where it sits in the tube. Total lenght is 24-3/4''.

 

[mntcple]

Thanks Claude B! Looks like I got the dip stick...

 

[Long Runner]

Does anyone know if the 2013 V6 Gasser has a dipstick? It seems like from my searching that the TDI's do.