[skankpile]

just an update.. I've been hammering my 2013 with malone & rawtek delete setup for 9 months now.

I've had absolutely NO issues since the tune. I love it. I get about ~500 miles per tank with all city driving. Freeway driving is lovely because passing power is insane... 60->80 no problem.. 80->100 no problem just pick the spot you want to land. Its crazy for such a large auto to preform this well.

I still get a tickle everytime I smoke a tailgater.

 

[skyfree]

OK, I know this is a stupid question and the answer is probably no, but are there any solutions for those of us who live in California (which is a testing state)? I'm now at 100K miles and am bracing myself for the inevitable failure of AdBlue, DPF, EGR, NOx that I'm reading about here.

 

[peatun]

Can someone explain what the tune actually gets rid of? Forgive the lack of knowledge here but I'm starting to have re-occuring adblue issues and I'd like to know if I need to fix anything or should just get a tune and ignore the sensors and dpf stuff.

 

[Fourdiesel]

OK, I know this is a stupid question and the answer is probably no, but are there any solutions for those of us who live in California (which is a testing state)? I'm now at 100K miles and am bracing myself for the inevitable failure of AdBlue, DPF, EGR, NOx that I'm reading about here.

1st, failure of ALL those components is NOT inevitable. Some, maybe the rest , probably not.
2nd, exactly what does California test for? Do they run the car on a dynomometer and test just for diesel 'soot' aka Las Vegas and Reno, NV? If so, a tune for more power (fuel remap) is probably not in your future. Other tunes to delete EGR, or DPF or Adblue (NOX) are possible if those particular items are not tested for. Many times the states check for MIL or CEL lights and will not re register the car if any of those are set and cannot be fixed by a dealer. The 'tune' for these usually eliminates those bothersome issues.

 

[Fourdiesel]

Can someone explain what the tune actually gets rid of? Forgive the lack of knowledge here but I'm starting to have re-occuring adblue issues and I'd like to know if I need to fix anything or should just get a tune and ignore the sensors and dpf stuff.

As in my answer to skyfree tuning is often done primarily to get more power - fuel remap. EGR delete keeps the engine from putting any exhaust gasses back into the intake air so that there is more available oxygen to burn the fuel with. DPF delete keeps the engine from providing extra heat to burn off the particles captured in the DPF filter in the exhaust and also turns off the trouble light if the DPF filter is plugged (it is then possible to remove the guts of that filter without a MIL being set). Adblue delete keeps the engine from adding any Adblue - or using any Adblue - to react with the NOx in the exhaust. It also prevents any MIL indicators due to heater failure etc, etc, etc.
NONE of these are 'legal' modifications since the configurations are NOT a part of the original engine/drivetrain testing and certification originally approved by the EPA.

 

[tdimark69]

Can someone explain what the tune actually gets rid of? Forgive the lack of knowledge here but I'm starting to have re-occuring adblue issues and I'd like to know if I need to fix anything or should just get a tune and ignore the sensors and dpf stuff.

no you would want the delete pipes and a tune and they you will be worry free...plus increase engine and turbo life and gain power

 

[skyfree]

Sorry, I should have provided more info. As far as I know, California does the "look for smoke" test, and also plugs into the computer to make sure there are no codes and that all the emission systems are working. How, I don't know, but it seems like software would be able to report that things are working when they are in fact NOT necessarily hooked up or working.

I'm not really interested in more power, but I would love to get rid of the DEF and DPF. DPF probably won't be possible because I have heard that it results in a bit of white smoke, but maybe the DEF system and EGR? Has anyone done that and passed Smog?

 

[tdimark69]

Sorry, I should have provided more info. As far as I know, California does the "look for smoke" test, and also plugs into the computer to make sure there are no codes and that all the emission systems are working. How, I don't know, but it seems like software would be able to report that things are working when they are in fact NOT necessarily hooked up or working.

I'm not really interested in more power, but I would love to get rid of the DEF and DPF. DPF probably won't be possible because I have heard that it results in a bit of white smoke, but maybe the DEF system and EGR? Has anyone done that and passed Smog?

no you will not pass obd2 testing....it shows not installed not ready which will be a fail...you are stuck with factory equipment in your state

and there better not be white smoke...unless your burning coolant

 

[philthyphil]

no you will not pass obd2 testing....it shows not installed not ready which will be a fail...you are stuck with factory equipment in your state

and there better not be white smoke...unless your burning coolant

Ken had indicated that he could make it pass the obd2 test when I spoke with him a few weeks ago.

 

[noobytoogy]

If the dumbos at VW can get 11 million dodgy cars to pass the test . . . :twisted:

 

[tdimark69]

Ken had indicated that he could make it pass the obd2 test when I spoke with him a few weeks ago.

sorry i was talking about malone...ken knows his stuff you need to talk to him.

 

[Built4Sin]

As in my answer to skyfree tuning is often done primarily to get more power - fuel remap. EGR delete keeps the engine from putting any exhaust gasses back into the intake air so that there is more available oxygen to burn the fuel with.

The EGR modifications are either coding it out so it doesn't open or getting a bypass pipe that gets rid of it and a slightly cleaner intake flow. The issue with the EGR here in the US is our crappy fuel and the EGR recirculating air that's contaminated with unburnt fuel and oil. That leads to a carbon build up in the intake tracks and on the intake valves in the head, that rob MPG and performance.

It's an issue with all diesels and why you see them all ditch the EGR out of warranty. It's not a matter of if but when it starts to happen. I haven't taken a look, but I'm sure it's coolant warmed which also gives you another route of having a break and having cylinders finding coolant. So you could either get coolant block blanks made or blanks and the EGR coolant system removed.

Llook at the US BMW 335d's history (3 years) and you'll see we end up having to have a intake chemical dip and valve blast to clear out the carbon. The issue starts around 40-60k miles and you wouldn't know it until you start losing mileage and performance for no reason.

 

[asbsecu e93]

just an update.. I've been hammering my 2013 with malone & rawtek delete setup for 9 months now.

I've had absolutely NO issues since the tune. I love it. I get about ~500 miles per tank with all city driving. Freeway driving is lovely because passing power is insane... 60->80 no problem.. 80->100 no problem just pick the spot you want to land. Its crazy for such a large auto to preform this well.

I still get a tickle everytime I smoke a tailgater.

+1

Same set-up and IT IS AWESOME!!

 

[frostyflax17]

I'm still waiting to find out what vw plans on doing with them at this point. The second I found out about the scandal i knew there would be some sort of recall so I backpedaled from doing the delete with Les.

What i'm hoping will happen, is they come out with a recall/repair by the end of the year, then i go get it fixed (and take the money), then go to Les with the car and do the whole delete after malone has accounted for the new update. I am at around 116k, already had the adblue tank heater go bad, fixed that with the help of Les, now 1 year later I have another cel, i have to go look and see what it is but if it's another adblue tank heater i'll be pretty annoyed (because we put a used tank in to get by till we did the delete).

 

[loujet]

wow lot's of info on this topic, just went through pretty much of the 28 pages. However it dates a year or so and might need newer info.

I own a 2009 V6 and I want to get rid of the dpf and the whole ad-blue system. Just not sure of what I need exactly.

First my ECU is on it's way to Malone to get the tune to get dpf and ad-blue out, not thinking of egr yet. Maybe add stage one or two but this is not the main idea now.

After that for the mechanical part, and this is where I get confused, I know I will need the piece of pipe to replace the dpf, but do I need to get one also for the ad-blue injection portion and the catalyst after? Would it be possible to simply leave these in place? I am not looking for more performance or different exhaust noise!

Please any advice appreciated!

Thanks!

 

[peatun]

Loujet I have a 2010 that's about to be bought back. I did the whole delete thing because I sensed the money and headache that was about to become my life when I was getting adblue errors. I did the ECU tune and bought a pipe from Les. Since mine is about to go back I was going to put the stock pipe back on and ebay the delete pipe sometime later.

I was told if you get the delete you need to run a dpf delete because the new ECU code will not do a cleaning cycle so the dpf will become clogged. I think I put about 200 miles on before I go the delete pipe but it's been great for the last year and so months I've had it going. In fact I'm going to miss my car so much when it goes back but as I'm in a bit of a financial bind I had to let it go when the offer was too good to refuse.

 

[loujet]

yes, doing it for the same reason you did it.

The ECU delete of dpf and ad-blue will be performed this week when ECU arrives to Malone in BC. Then pipes, this is my biggest confusion, I know for sure dpf will need to be replaced by a new "straight" pipe so there will be no more regen. But starting from ad-blue injector to the end muffler, this is the part I ask myself does it need to be replaced by a straight pipe as well? Don't want to have a noisy straight pipe all the way back..!

 

[peatun]

yes, doing it for the same reason you did it.

The ECU delete of dpf and ad-blue will be performed this week when ECU arrives to Malone in BC. Then pipes, this is my biggest confusion, I know for sure dpf will need to be replaced by a new "straight" pipe so there will be no more regen. But starting from ad-blue injector to the end muffler, this is the part I ask myself does it need to be replaced by a straight pipe as well? Don't want to have a noisy straight pipe all the way back..!

The Pipe I got replaced the DPF only, it was a straight bolt on that even had a little thingy to bolt the old adblue injector to so I didn't have to remove anything else. It left 2 vacuum looking hoses from the DPF I just looped to each other and bolted right up to my stock muffler so I didn't notice much in the noise department. I did however notice that I didn't like the smell so I turn the car off when I hook my boat up now.

 

[loujet]

No worries when I will hook my boat as well, used to diesel smell!

Do you recall what brend pipes you had? Will you get yours off soon?

Looking at this, you recall if they were A to B or A to C?

 

[peatun]

Sorry I totally missed your reply, yes my pipe is coming off this month. Mine was A to C