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So, I'm talking to Geoff at Alretta Truck Parts. He called me today to alert me about something he discovered on V6 equipped TOUAREGs that are 2006 model year vehicles.

He has a customer with a 30xxx VIN that has front brake calipers that are only 4-piston units -- similar to what has been found on the 2007 models. Geoff says the brake code on that customer's vehicle is a 1LE and it's a new, smaller type of brake pad.

The six piston caliper is brake code 1LC. Geoff called me because he just shipped out a brake set too me, so I went to check my vehicle. I have the 1LC code and the six piston caliper, but yet my vehicle is 46xxx VIN. This is freakin' strange.

THE ROTOR SIZE IS STILL THE SAME AND IS NOT IMPACTED BY THIS CHANGE.

Anyhow, apparently the new brakes (the smaller padded ones) are the same ones used on the Aston Martin DB9, a couple of Ferrari models and a Lamborghini model. So, the upside is, if you have the 2007MY TOUAREG and were thinking your brakes aren't as good as the old 6-piston... they are apparently good enough for those cars.

Bottom line here: I'm contacting my sources at VWoA to find out what is going on with this. Also, if you have a 2006 V6, when you go to replace your brakes, check for that 1LC or the 1LE product code. It will be on the tag in the rear of the vehicle where the spare is kept.

If you have the 1LE code, the bad news is, right now those pads are only available through a dealer and not via the aftermarket --- at least for now.

More to come...
 

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Interesting. I'm wondering if the 2006 owner has the 2007-spec rear brakes as well. Hmmm....

Very odd that you have a higher VIN and the older style 6-pot calipers, while this supposedly older VIN has the 2007 goods.

I'm certainly interested in hearing what you find out. Enquiring minds want to know! :evil_laugh:

Matt
 

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There aren't any Aston Martins or Ferraris that weigh north of 6000lbs wet and loaded, though...
 

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AZBob said:
There aren't any Aston Martins or Ferraris that weigh north of 6000lbs wet and loaded, though...
He has got a point there!!:)
 

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But the Aston Martin sure can fly!

Points well taken that Astons and Ferraris weigh almost half what the Touareg does, but TREGinginCO is saying that these vehicles need the best kind of brakes for any type of vehicle and that's what Touaregs share... An Aston Martin at 190mph would need great brakes, right? Momentum is mass times velocity - double the velocity and half the mass and its still the same amount of energy! So a Touareg at 90 is an Aston at 180, etc.

So these are still capable brakes. (Actually the Aston Martin DB9 weighs 3700 lbs, so it would seem even more capable)

To Vegas Matt: What I found on the client's 2006 vehicle was a 1LE front and a 1KF rear, which is the same rear back to 2004 on all models. In 2007 VW adopts a new smaller capacity caliper for the rear and has a new brake code with pads that are 75% the size of the 1KF in swept area. Thru my industry contacts I now have a blue print for the 1LE and 1KQ pads. Frankly, because the 2007MY Touareg is low production and the exotic cars are as well, the aftermarket will simply not bother to offer them. There are no numbers to offset the tooling costs...IMHO.

Thankfully, as TREGinginCO points out, there has been no material change made to the brake rotor for the 1LE code. That is not true, I think, for the 1KQ rears in 07. Still need to confirm that.

If my client had not sent me a fax of the line code sticker from his trunk lid, I would not have made this kind of headway on the topic as 2006 brakes are still relatively new. The caliper uses different hardware, but thankfully the same brake wear sensors are still used for the 1LE. Not sure for the 1KQ rears.

The disparity between the car owned by customer X and TREGinginCO is hard to judge. When speaking to RJ, the only difference was a single number in the VIN sequence that was changed, but what ever that means is still a mystery. Certainly am glad he has the sturdier brakes!!

Best Regards,

Geoff
 

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One more piece of info here. I have a 2007 (although not the latest) version of ETKA, the VW electronic parts catalog. In the catalog, you can select the "local market" for European version vehicles and "USA" for vehicles shipped to our market.

The 2006 and 2007 USA Touaregs are not shown with the 1LE and 1KQ brakes. Only the 2006 and 2007 "local market" Touaregs are shown with the 1LE and 1KQ brakes. If this hasn't been corrected in later versions of ETKA, this means that when someone with these brakes goes in to their dealership to get service on the brakes, there is likely to be some confusion over which pads should go on the car.
 

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The 2006 and 2007 USA Touaregs are not shown with the 1LE and 1KQ brakes. Only the 2006 and 2007 "local market" Touaregs are shown with the 1LE and 1KQ brakes.
I have a feeling that there is more up-to-date intel out there because a local dealer here in Boston knew all about the 1LE optioncode and had the pads in stock and compared them for me over the phone to the 1LC. He has sold them already and restocked. I didn't get into any other particulars because they really don't seem to follow the RPO's as we are, rather, they just want the full VIN to put into their computer.

I would love to know more about what makes the RPO 1LE and 1KQ tick. I can say that the FMSI (Friction Materials Standards Institute) has data on these brakes for the North American market and has had it since August 2006 according to the documentation and print I was sent.

Regards,

Geoff
 
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