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When did production start on the 2005's and/or stop on the 2004's? I'm in the process of purchasing a "2005" and on the invoice dated in September, the build date was May 04.

How can I tell from the VIN the model year? The invoice doesn't state the model year either... the optional equipment stated on the invoice is "Premium Plus" but, wasn't that an '04 designation? Aren't the '05's now called "Package 3"?

....and what discounts from Invoice have people been getting for '04 model year? I've heard big stories on the deals people have been getting but, what have they paid regarding invoice? ($1000 under or $1000 over or what?)
 

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You need to know the vin number. Here is a copy of 2 posts that may help. Note that May 2004 build is a 2004 , not 2005
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:24 pm Post subject:
Are VIN numbers international / model based / or what?

I am getting a V8 that has been at the yard for about 3 months in Australia. Looking at the plate yesterday, I saw it was built in May 2004 and the VIN number is 88,xxx. This seems high.

Whilst shopping for a friend who is getting a MY05 V6 Luxury, I asked the dealer what VIN numbers are the cars coming - he said 22,xxx for one and 26,xxx for another.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:36 am Post subject:
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Your car is a 2004. The others you speak of are 2005s. They restart the numbers for the new model year. There is another digit change to signify the model year change elsewhere in the VIN.
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my VIN ends in: 0025xx

After searching previous posts on VIN, can I assume my May '04 build date is actually build number 2500ish for '05?
 

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Trimmer2 said:
How can I tell from the VIN the model year
In the US, the 10'th digit from the left denotes the year. It should be a 5 for a 2004 and 4 for 2004.

As to the PPII; mine says the same thing. I have xenon, premimum plus and the upgraded (not nav radio).
 

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I bought an '04 V8 (options listed below) for about $6,000 under invoice. At that time, there was a factory-to-dealer rebate/cash incentive of $3,500, but I'm not sure if that is still in effect. Also, be aware that all Volkswagen dealers get a 3% dealer holdback from the factory -- i.e. the dealer gets 3% of the MSRP back from the factory. So on a loaded Treg V8, that's about $1,500. So, you should be able to buy even an '05 at pretty close to invoice, I would think.

So, just with those two dealer incentives, that brought the price to $5,000 below invoice without the dealer losing any money. Plus there are often other "hidden" money that the dealer may get -- things like hitting CSI (customer satisfaction index) targets and sales volume targets.

Add to that the fact that the dealer I bought from was without power for 13 days in September due to the various Florida hurricanes, and I had one VERY motivated dealer.

Deals are out there, but you have to hunt to find them. I recommend the website FightingChance.com, for recommendations on specific facts about particular cars and how to negotiate the best price of a new car. The best way seems to be to canvass as many dealers at one time by faxing your interest, and letting the deals come to you -- then pick the best deal.

Good luck.
 
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