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Hello all,

Looking for some assistance and advice regarding a non-starting and brain dead 2004 V10 (I've already read every existing thread related to this issue from start to finish).

The symptoms began as intermittent non-starting: with key on only some of the dash would come to life (not all of the gauges would work), and turning the key to starting position would result in nothing happening. Sometimes the key would not be released from ignition and shifter could not be moved into neutral. Time and/or several tries later and eventually it would start.

Currently with the key on, only some of the dash comes to life: the screen comes up, but does not show all of the typical pre-start icons (like glow plugs), and non of the gauges come on. Turning the key to start does nothing. The shift lever is usable and the key can be removed.

There must have been a constant parasitic draw on the batteries because eventually they went dead. Both batteries are less than 1 year old (sized properly according to threads on here) and have been removed from the vehicle and load tested as good. They have been re-charged and re-installed.

I have attached a vagcom scan (done prior to steps taken below). This is my first time using one so I could use help interpreting it. The main issue appears to be that there is no communication with the ECM at all. I understand that many/most of the dtc's are probably related to the dead battery. But, due to the lack of communication with the ECM, I do not know how to clear all of them in order to run a new scan. Help?

What has been tried so far:
1) All fuses checked (drivers side, passenger side, and in engine bay).
2) Wiring harness under driver's floor board carpet checked. No visible sign of corrosion, but all splices were re-spliced.
3) Batteries load tested, re-charged, and re-installed.
4) Clean dirt and debris away from wiper area.
5) Removed and inspected ECM's- no visible sign of water or damage on plugs (did not open cases). Cleaned electrical plugs on both.
5) Checked starting requirements to start - found bad brake light switch and replaced.
6) Checked door handles- passenger door black button does not work. Plan on disconnecting wire harness to all door handles if necessary, but not done yet.
7) Kessy removed and repaired. The two MOSFETs were replaced (they appeared to be stuck open, but not burned up). The resistors all checked OK.

Re-installed the repaired Kessy, the new brake light switch, and the re-charged batteries. No change in status- still brain dead and vagcom says no communication with ECM.

Now the stock alarm system is acting up. While working on the car with the driver's door open and the key sitting on the seat the alarm has been arming itself and locking the doors. This is the first time it has ever done this.

Any input to help me get this beast running would be greatly appreciated!

-Jason
 

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Although not necessarily the main problem, I would disconnect that bad door handle. Then perhaps try looking at 17 instruments 05 Kessy and also 03 brakes. Maybe do some output tests.
 

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I'm in need of some brain power from the fantastic collective that is this forum.....

The current diagnosis is that the two ECM's are not being powered/activated at all. Based on this, the thought is that the ignition and/or the kessy is bad.

The kessy has been "repaired" by replacing the bad mosfets, however that should only fix the door handle portion of the kessy - if there is a more serious problem with it related to start/activation/immobilization then it would most likely need to be replaced.

Due to these items being tied to the key programming, any of this work will now have to be done by a dealer. The dealer claiming that if they replace both of those they would need to replace the cluster, both pcms, door locks etc.

Am I correct that there is a way around the requirement of having to replace the door locks. They could simply be unplugged behind the door panel (deactivating the touch/unlock function), correct? As long as the key fob could still be used to lock/unlock the car, I am fine with that.

Are they correct that both PCMs would have to be replaced (I am assuming these are what I've been referring to as ECM's). Is there some work around for that?

How about the cluster? Any work around for that?
 

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I am thinking/guessing either wiring harness fault or the Can Gateway.


01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533): No Communications
Possible Symptoms

Warning Lamp On

Possible Causes

Wiring Harness Issue
Defective Control Module

Possible Solutions
Notes

If the fault is only found in one control module, then most likely that module is the issue. However, if the fault is found several different control modules, then the CAN Gateway could be the issue.
 

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This thread also has some possible hints: VWVortex.com - DTC 01314 ??

01314 - Engine Control Module: No Communications
Possible Causes

CAN-Databus Wiring/Connectors from/to Engine Control Module faulty
Fault(s) stored in Engine Control Module
Engine Control Module recently flashed or re-mapped

Possible Solutions

Check CAN-Databus Wiring/Connectors from/to Engine Control Module
Check Measuring Value Blocks (MVB)
Usually Measuring Value Blocks (MVB) 125+ show the current Communication Status

Special Notes

When found in a 2005 through 2007 2.5L NAR (North American Region) (1K) Jetta check the T121/62 (Red/Black) traced power wire to the ECM. If power is missing or a voltage drop is present that wire may be damaged anywhere between 6" and 18" from the connector itself. This will result in no communication in addition to a no-start.
Based on 2.5L Jetta feedback over the years a majority look like this example however some are damaged further away per this example: with the close-up and distant views.



01314 - Engine Control Module: Check DTC Memory
Possible Causes

Fault(s) stored in Engine Control Module

Possible Solutions

Check Engine Control Module for Fault Codes

Special Notes

Engine Control Module stored a Code which influences other Control Modules Functionality.
To clear this Fault Code you will need to correct the Problem in the Engine Control Module first.
 

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Often, you end up doing these repairs the old way. With a volt-ohm meter, a copy of the wiring diagram, and a lot of time.

Since these cars have the bad factory wire splices, that is usually the first place to look, but you have done that.

The ECU has not been flashed has it? (bad tunes can cause errors) Once that is eliminated, the radio is still factory? (bad radio installs often mess up the canbus, but I don't see any errors that say the canbus is shorted to ground or to positive, or that it is running in single wire mode)

The ECU has to have +12V Battery power and a +12V that is switched power. Have to make sure that is there and it never hurts to check the resistance/ohms of the grounds.

That is all I can think of at the current moment. Look at the DTC 0314 link above, it has some pretty good hints.
 
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