Greetings from the Q7 world! I'm cross posting here since there's way more traffic and I'm hoping someone has some insight.
I've used my 2011 Q7 TDI to tow a 5800 lbs travel trailer regularly for three years, with no issues. I recently deleted and am running Malone Stage 2 SW. On my first towing trip (200 miles each way) since the delete, 1h in towing at 72 MPH in manual mode, the cruise dropped off and the trans temps began to climb and I was down to ~4 gears. VCDS showed this (full data pasted for completeness):
Address 01: Engine (J623-CATA) Labels:. 059-907-401-V2.clb
Part No SW: 4L2 910 401 HW: 4L0 907 401 D
Component: 3.0TDI FSA X18 0009
Revision: 54X18--- Serial number:
Coding: 2A2A4012253600050000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TDI0114L2910401 002008
ROD: EV_ECM30TDI0114L2910401_002.rod
VCID: 61C82F71701EC28E64-8034
1 Fault Found:
2937 - Implausible Data Received from Transmission Control Module
U0402 00 [032] - -
Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 220389 km
Date: 2021.06.02
Time: 13:20:24
Engine speed: 1912.00 /min
Normed load value: 43.9 %
Vehicle speed: 112 km/h
Coolant temperature: 98 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 36 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 970 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 14.260 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Accelerator pedal travel: 0.00 %
Accelerator pedal: sensor voltage 1: 742.6 mV
Accelerator pedal: sensor voltage 2: 371.2 mV
Accelerator pedal: switch positions-Bits 0-7: 1
Starter control: Interlock- or P/N-signal-Bits 0-7: 1
Limitation: torque: 600.0 Nm
Control Module temperature: 43.9 ∞C
Readiness: 0 0 0 1 X
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans (J217) Labels:| 0C8-927-750.clb
Part No SW: 0C8 927 750 S HW: 0C8 927 750 S
Component: AL1000 AISIN 001 3408
Serial number:
Coding: 00B178
Shop #: WSC 29134 003 104857
ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL991031 002112
ROD: EV_TCMAL991031_002.rod
VCID: 3C76BE05B73CCF6617-8068
2 Faults Found:
12860 - Torque Converter Clutch
P0741 00 [032] - Stuck OFF / No Power being transferred
Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Reset counter: 40
Engine speed: 1950.0 /min
Transmission input speed: 1860 /min
Transmission output speed: 2700 /min
Engine torque: 512 Nm
Transmission fluid temperature: 90 ∞C
Accelerator position: 92.4 %
Clutch_C1: Open
Clutch_C2: closed
Clutch_C3: Open
Clutch_C4: Open
Clutch_B1: closed
Clutch_B2: Open
Lock Up Clutch: closed
EOP target revolution: 65534 /min
EOP actual revolution: 65279 /min
Engine Speed signal Current: 65279 /min
EOP failure status with EOP without HV 1: Motor normal stop
EOP target current: 65278 mA
12868 - Torque Converter Lockup Clutch
P1811 00 [008] - Preliminary Over-Temp Stage Reached
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Reset counter: 179
Engine speed: 3210.0 /min
Transmission input speed: 2280 /min
Transmission output speed: 1890 /min
Engine torque: 528 Nm
Transmission fluid temperature: 98 ∞C
Accelerator position: 82.4 %
Clutch_C1: closed
Clutch_C2: closed
Clutch_C3: Open
Clutch_C4: Open
Clutch_B1: Open
Clutch_B2: Open
Lock Up Clutch: Open
EOP target revolution: 65534 /min
EOP actual revolution: 65279 /min
Engine Speed signal Current: 65279 /min
EOP failure status with EOP without HV 1: Motor normal stop
EOP target current: 65278 mA
Being a season VAG enthusiast, I looked @ the codes and said "huh, I guess the TCU went out to lunch for a bit and blamed the TCC", cleared the codes and went on my merry way. On my return trip I left it in D and suffered with the droning exhaust and had no issues. On the next towing trip (120 miles each way), the trip out was fine no issues, drove in D. 1.5h into the trip back, cruise dropped out again and I was down gears. I pulled over, turned the car off and turned it back on, the trans was back with all gears and shifting normally. This happened a few more times, I did finally end up with a CEL and the VCDS scan showed this:
Address 01: Engine (J623-CATA) Labels:. 059-907-401-V2.clb
Part No SW: 4L2 910 401 HW: 4L0 907 401 D
Component: 3.0TDI FSA X18 0009
Revision: 54X18--- Serial number:
Coding: 2A2A4012253600050000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TDI0114L2910401 002008
ROD: EV_ECM30TDI0114L2910401_002.rod
VCID: 61C82F71701EC28E64-8034
2 Faults Found:
2937 - Implausible Data Received from Transmission Control Module
U0402 00 [040] - -
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 3
Mileage: 221830 km
Date: 2021.06.20
Time: 13:57:29
Engine speed: 1942.00 /min
Normed load value: 40.4 %
Vehicle speed: 113 km/h
Coolant temperature: 96 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 32 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 950 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 14.400 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Accelerator pedal travel: 0.00 %
Accelerator pedal: sensor voltage 1: 742.6 mV
Accelerator pedal: sensor voltage 2: 371.2 mV
Accelerator pedal: switch positions-Bits 0-7: 1
Starter control: Interlock- or P/N-signal-Bits 0-7: 1
Limitation: torque: 600.0 Nm
Control Module temperature: 33.2 ∞C
10577 - MIL Request Signal Active (Check TCM for errors too!)
P1624 00 [047] - -
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 221869 km
Date: 2021.06.20
Time: 14:20:23
Engine speed: 1753.00 /min
Normed load value: 4.3 %
Vehicle speed: 107 km/h
Coolant temperature: 95 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 34 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 950 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 14.340 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Engine status: COENG_RUNNING
Engine status-Test_Program_Co Eng st COMPU VERB UBYTE: 3
Readiness: 0 0 0 1 X
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans (J217) Labels:| 0C8-927-750.clb
Part No SW: 0C8 927 750 S HW: 0C8 927 750 S
Component: AL1000 AISIN 001 3408
Serial number:
Coding: 00B178
Shop #: WSC 29134 003 104857
ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL991031 002112
ROD: EV_TCMAL991031_002.rod
VCID: 3C76BE05B73CCF6617-8068
1 Fault Found:
12860 - Torque Converter Clutch
P0741 00 [168] - Stuck OFF / No Power being transferred
MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Reset counter: 41
Engine speed: 1950.0 /min
Transmission input speed: 1860 /min
Transmission output speed: 2700 /min
Engine torque: 480 Nm
Transmission fluid temperature: 86 ∞C
Accelerator position: 85.6 %
Clutch_C1: Open
Clutch_C2: closed
Clutch_C3: Open
Clutch_C4: Open
Clutch_B1: closed
Clutch_B2: Open
Lock Up Clutch: closed
EOP target revolution: 65534 /min
EOP actual revolution: 65279 /min
Engine Speed signal Current: 65279 /min
EOP failure status with EOP without HV 1: Motor normal stop
EOP target current: 65278 mA
So, it looks like there is an issue....but the question is where. I'm familiar with the TCC and its role and certainly it not locking up is why the trans temps climbed. My Q7 has the dieselgate fix done before I bought it, I changed the transmission coding to Cayenne last year mid-tow season, the only thing that has changed since towing last year is the delete/tune and a trans oil change with Idemitsu TLS-LV. Questions:
I've used my 2011 Q7 TDI to tow a 5800 lbs travel trailer regularly for three years, with no issues. I recently deleted and am running Malone Stage 2 SW. On my first towing trip (200 miles each way) since the delete, 1h in towing at 72 MPH in manual mode, the cruise dropped off and the trans temps began to climb and I was down to ~4 gears. VCDS showed this (full data pasted for completeness):
Address 01: Engine (J623-CATA) Labels:. 059-907-401-V2.clb
Part No SW: 4L2 910 401 HW: 4L0 907 401 D
Component: 3.0TDI FSA X18 0009
Revision: 54X18--- Serial number:
Coding: 2A2A4012253600050000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TDI0114L2910401 002008
ROD: EV_ECM30TDI0114L2910401_002.rod
VCID: 61C82F71701EC28E64-8034
1 Fault Found:
2937 - Implausible Data Received from Transmission Control Module
U0402 00 [032] - -
Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 220389 km
Date: 2021.06.02
Time: 13:20:24
Engine speed: 1912.00 /min
Normed load value: 43.9 %
Vehicle speed: 112 km/h
Coolant temperature: 98 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 36 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 970 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 14.260 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Accelerator pedal travel: 0.00 %
Accelerator pedal: sensor voltage 1: 742.6 mV
Accelerator pedal: sensor voltage 2: 371.2 mV
Accelerator pedal: switch positions-Bits 0-7: 1
Starter control: Interlock- or P/N-signal-Bits 0-7: 1
Limitation: torque: 600.0 Nm
Control Module temperature: 43.9 ∞C
Readiness: 0 0 0 1 X
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans (J217) Labels:| 0C8-927-750.clb
Part No SW: 0C8 927 750 S HW: 0C8 927 750 S
Component: AL1000 AISIN 001 3408
Serial number:
Coding: 00B178
Shop #: WSC 29134 003 104857
ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL991031 002112
ROD: EV_TCMAL991031_002.rod
VCID: 3C76BE05B73CCF6617-8068
2 Faults Found:
12860 - Torque Converter Clutch
P0741 00 [032] - Stuck OFF / No Power being transferred
Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Reset counter: 40
Engine speed: 1950.0 /min
Transmission input speed: 1860 /min
Transmission output speed: 2700 /min
Engine torque: 512 Nm
Transmission fluid temperature: 90 ∞C
Accelerator position: 92.4 %
Clutch_C1: Open
Clutch_C2: closed
Clutch_C3: Open
Clutch_C4: Open
Clutch_B1: closed
Clutch_B2: Open
Lock Up Clutch: closed
EOP target revolution: 65534 /min
EOP actual revolution: 65279 /min
Engine Speed signal Current: 65279 /min
EOP failure status with EOP without HV 1: Motor normal stop
EOP target current: 65278 mA
12868 - Torque Converter Lockup Clutch
P1811 00 [008] - Preliminary Over-Temp Stage Reached
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Reset counter: 179
Engine speed: 3210.0 /min
Transmission input speed: 2280 /min
Transmission output speed: 1890 /min
Engine torque: 528 Nm
Transmission fluid temperature: 98 ∞C
Accelerator position: 82.4 %
Clutch_C1: closed
Clutch_C2: closed
Clutch_C3: Open
Clutch_C4: Open
Clutch_B1: Open
Clutch_B2: Open
Lock Up Clutch: Open
EOP target revolution: 65534 /min
EOP actual revolution: 65279 /min
Engine Speed signal Current: 65279 /min
EOP failure status with EOP without HV 1: Motor normal stop
EOP target current: 65278 mA
Being a season VAG enthusiast, I looked @ the codes and said "huh, I guess the TCU went out to lunch for a bit and blamed the TCC", cleared the codes and went on my merry way. On my return trip I left it in D and suffered with the droning exhaust and had no issues. On the next towing trip (120 miles each way), the trip out was fine no issues, drove in D. 1.5h into the trip back, cruise dropped out again and I was down gears. I pulled over, turned the car off and turned it back on, the trans was back with all gears and shifting normally. This happened a few more times, I did finally end up with a CEL and the VCDS scan showed this:
Address 01: Engine (J623-CATA) Labels:. 059-907-401-V2.clb
Part No SW: 4L2 910 401 HW: 4L0 907 401 D
Component: 3.0TDI FSA X18 0009
Revision: 54X18--- Serial number:
Coding: 2A2A4012253600050000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TDI0114L2910401 002008
ROD: EV_ECM30TDI0114L2910401_002.rod
VCID: 61C82F71701EC28E64-8034
2 Faults Found:
2937 - Implausible Data Received from Transmission Control Module
U0402 00 [040] - -
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 3
Mileage: 221830 km
Date: 2021.06.20
Time: 13:57:29
Engine speed: 1942.00 /min
Normed load value: 40.4 %
Vehicle speed: 113 km/h
Coolant temperature: 96 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 32 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 950 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 14.400 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Accelerator pedal travel: 0.00 %
Accelerator pedal: sensor voltage 1: 742.6 mV
Accelerator pedal: sensor voltage 2: 371.2 mV
Accelerator pedal: switch positions-Bits 0-7: 1
Starter control: Interlock- or P/N-signal-Bits 0-7: 1
Limitation: torque: 600.0 Nm
Control Module temperature: 33.2 ∞C
10577 - MIL Request Signal Active (Check TCM for errors too!)
P1624 00 [047] - -
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 221869 km
Date: 2021.06.20
Time: 14:20:23
Engine speed: 1753.00 /min
Normed load value: 4.3 %
Vehicle speed: 107 km/h
Coolant temperature: 95 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 34 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 950 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 14.340 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Engine status: COENG_RUNNING
Engine status-Test_Program_Co Eng st COMPU VERB UBYTE: 3
Readiness: 0 0 0 1 X
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans (J217) Labels:| 0C8-927-750.clb
Part No SW: 0C8 927 750 S HW: 0C8 927 750 S
Component: AL1000 AISIN 001 3408
Serial number:
Coding: 00B178
Shop #: WSC 29134 003 104857
ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL991031 002112
ROD: EV_TCMAL991031_002.rod
VCID: 3C76BE05B73CCF6617-8068
1 Fault Found:
12860 - Torque Converter Clutch
P0741 00 [168] - Stuck OFF / No Power being transferred
MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Reset counter: 41
Engine speed: 1950.0 /min
Transmission input speed: 1860 /min
Transmission output speed: 2700 /min
Engine torque: 480 Nm
Transmission fluid temperature: 86 ∞C
Accelerator position: 85.6 %
Clutch_C1: Open
Clutch_C2: closed
Clutch_C3: Open
Clutch_C4: Open
Clutch_B1: closed
Clutch_B2: Open
Lock Up Clutch: closed
EOP target revolution: 65534 /min
EOP actual revolution: 65279 /min
Engine Speed signal Current: 65279 /min
EOP failure status with EOP without HV 1: Motor normal stop
EOP target current: 65278 mA
So, it looks like there is an issue....but the question is where. I'm familiar with the TCC and its role and certainly it not locking up is why the trans temps climbed. My Q7 has the dieselgate fix done before I bought it, I changed the transmission coding to Cayenne last year mid-tow season, the only thing that has changed since towing last year is the delete/tune and a trans oil change with Idemitsu TLS-LV. Questions:
- Has anyone seen the TCC TCM code or the implausible data ECU code? If so what fixed it?
- Has anyone had issues towing post delete? Terrain is rolling midwest hills.