Club Touareg Forum banner
1 - 20 of 24 Posts

Enginerding

· Registered
Touareg 7p 3.0 V6 TDI Diesel
Joined
·
9 Posts
Discussion starter · #1 ·
Hi, all. I've just had a call from my other half, who has accidentally deposited some petrol into the TDI.
Can anyone give a pointer as to the quickest method to drain the fuel out - preferably of the whole system?
Yes, it has been driven, yes, it may be f***ed.
All the best,
Phil
 
  • Wow
Reactions: Minesa2016gas
Discussion starter · #3 ·
Did your X ;) stop the engine or did the engine stop by itself before she realized what had happened?
It limped home, and then finally stalled outside our house, apparently.. then she realised that something was wrong 😫. It is actually really fortunate that she got it home, as it happens. There doesn't seem to be any/much damage.
 
Discussion starter · #4 ·
Dang, that's a call every diesel driver dreads. Bummer. How long was it driven, and did any dash lights come on? Any chance you can get it scanned without it being started accidentally? If you don't have a VAG-specific scanner, in the US I'd be expecting DTCs like P0087, P0088, and P0191 ... not sure if those are the same in the UK.

Given your engineering background, I'm sure you know the biggest issue is lack of lubrication from petrol. Without a scanner, I'd be looking for anything obvious around the HPFP/injectors/N290 Fuel Metering Valve.

The issue is, you need a scanner pretty much no matter what. After draining the fuel, you will want to use VCDS to activate the in-tank lift pump for several minutes to prevent the HPFP from running dry during the initial start-up after a tank/system flush. There is a VW TSB out there that goes over how a dealer would do it, and it's intense and they replace the fuel pump as well as purge the system more than once. Depending on mileage and condition, those kinds of drastic repairs may not be plausible.

You should do your own research and see what's available in your region and recommended for your engine, but I've ran Archoil AR6500 through for extra lubricant addidives after fuel contamination and it gave me peace of mind if nothing else. A similar product is Opti-Lube XPD.
Yep - my blood ran cold when I got the call. I've got two kids in kindergarten and a sky high mortgage for the next 18 months.
Many thanks for your post. I do have a VAG scanner, fortunately. The good news is that we appear to have been lucky - the petrol station in question is just around the corner from our place, and the car started to misbehave just as she came up the drive and parked up.
I was able to drain out the tank last night and purge the system with fresh diesel. So far there's no noticeable damage, and so I'm replacing the filter and I have managed to get my hands on some AR6500 - thanks for the suggestion.
That was one hell of an evening.. home from work at 6.30 and working on the car until 1AM.
I guess that's the joy of being a family man - converting the crises that your tribe generate into headaches that you wear for them.
Working out what to do with 65 litres / 17 gallons of petrol at home was another interesting challenge. For the time being, nobody's to take a bath or smoke on the toilet :p
 
Just because it runs now does not mean you are home free. I’d try to quickly get and install a cp4 bypass kit in case the pump is scored and grenades… and also visually check for glitter in the return line frequently.

There’s probably quite a bit of diesel in that gasoline, but it’s probably safe to run through any regular gasoline car just a tiny bit at a time.
 
There’s probably quite a bit of diesel in that gasoline, but it’s probably safe to run through any regular gasoline car just a tiny bit at a time.
I'd say he needs to prioritize how not to blow up instead of how to use it.
For the time being, nobody's to take a bath or smoke on the toilet
 
So my garage with three 5 gallon cans of gas is liable to blow up any minute? Damn! Thanks for the warning. Guess I need to mow (summer) or snow blow (winter) more and use it up riki tik!
 
  • Haha
Reactions: ljankowski
So my garage with three 5 gallon cans of gas is liable to blow up any minute? Damn! Thanks for the warning. Guess I need to mow (summer) or snow blow (winter) more and use it up riki tik!
You should read what was posted. Pretty sure it wouldn't matter if I was taking a bath if the fuel in the tub was already in sealed jerry cans!
 
Sorry, I must've missed where it said it was in the tub. I figured everyone had a gas can or three, or could run down to the store to grab a couple.
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
Thanks all for your responses. I did get a 20L/5.2 gal container and several smaller fuel containers from an all-night garage for storage, and have so far been running our runabout Seat Ibiza 1.2 petrol on it for a week now with no issues.
The Toureg has been running with no issues since this happened as well, but I'm keeping an eye on it. I've ordered a CP4 bypass kit - this seems to be very solid advice considering what's happened and the reputation of CP4 pumps.
Fingers crossed we've just about got away with this..
 
Sorry, I must've missed where it said it was in the tub. I figured everyone had a gas can or three, or could run down to the store to grab a couple.
He implied he was storing the gasoline in an open bathtub by saying "For the time being, nobody's to take a bath or smoke on the toilet."

I assume it was a joke.
 
Just because it runs now does not mean you are home free. I’d try to quickly get and install a cp4 bypass kit in case the pump is scored and grenades… and also visually check for glitter in the return line frequently.

There’s probably quite a bit of diesel in that gasoline, but it’s probably safe to run through any regular gasoline car just a tiny bit at a time.
I agree with this advice. I installed one on mine after my CP4 disaster. What I never got to the bottom of was did Bosch redesign the pump to feed the metering valve upstream of the cp4 crankcase? Bosch has made several modification to to pump and VW has specified at least two part number revisions for my 2010. On the latest, Bosch swapped the inlet and outlet pipes and moved the location of the crankcase pressure regulator valve into the outlet pipe. I didn't want to take my new pump apart, but nearest i could tell is that fuel for the metering valve is now fed first, and then after going through a drilling it goes to the crankcase, so any crankcase grindings would have to go against the fuel flow up through a channel to get to the metering valve in order to take out the injectors.
What wasn't addressed by VW is that on the TDI's with the four hose connections on the fuel filter, the potentially contaminated return fuel gets mixed with fresh fuel post filter (to warm up the fuel when cold) So contaminated fuel in the return can still take out the injectors. I believe that VW fixed this issue when they went to the three hose connection filter in 2011, which returns the fuel to the inlet of the filter (rather than the outlet) so it will get filtered again before going to the CP4. So if you have the latest CP4 revision, and have the 3 hose fuel filter, you are probably covered.
 
but nearest i could tell is that fuel for the metering valve is now fed first, and then after going through a drilling it goes to the crankcase, so any crankcase grindings would have to go against the fuel flow up through a channel to get to the metering valve in order to take out the injectors.
:unsure:
 

Attachments

That document shows the original design HPFP.
For my 2010, it came with 059.130.755AL, this was later superseded to BL, and has now been superseded to BT.
I pulled the metering valve on the BT and see that it is fed right at the fuel inlet, not the crankcase but I haven't seen any explanation of what the changes were in the different revisions.
 
1 - 20 of 24 Posts