New member... here's the scenario: Looking for a Touareg/Q7/Cayenne 2014--2017 that can pull my (existing) driftboat (2k lbs) and a future jet sled (4K lbs). Oregon terrain: 60 minutes of flat to short coastal range climb (4000 elevation) to coastal plain. My german auto mechanic genius (seriously) brother-in-law says all 3 models will do the job--torque sufficient for 10x yearly boat ramp yanking. And yes, the diesel 3.0 has more torque. Any and all info welcome...reading everything about R line, handling/towing, maintenance/repair costs. Likely driving this rig less than 5k miles/year. Budget around 25k. May sell my immaculate 1991 westy syncro camper to fund this. Thanks to all.
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I'd love to see something that backs that up
0C8 1st is 4.970 ... just in case you guys want to use real numbers
Edited, not sure where I got that number, but yours agrees with this. Ultimately though, it's just not nearly as low as a real low range.0C8 1st is 4.970 ... just in case you guys want to use real numbers
Now- the Hybrid T3, I haven't driven one, but wonder if the electric drive is a reasonable functional alternative to low range. I wish they had made a hybrid TDI. But is there still a torque converter between the electric motor and the transmission? If so, it might still have the same issues.
Good catch.0C8 1st is 4.970 ... just in case you guys want to use real numbers
You can make some improvements by swapping diffs from a gasser... that will get you a lower final, so it really all comes down to what you need and value the most based on your typical use, etc.
There are options, but they all cost money\time\effort\knowledge.... so you gotta pay to play.
Good idea, the 6 speed already has plenty high enough gears for high speed freeway cruising at fairly low rpms, so you could definitely get away with a considerably lower diff ratio on the 8 speed. It's still not going to replace low range but will be plenty low for most of the offroading people are likely to be doing.
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for such infrequent use, and dedicated towing purpose, I thing the gas FSI engine is the better option for your towing needs. With an OEM hitch its rated for 7700 pound tow capacity just like the diesels. But diesels need a decent high speed run at least once a week and it sounds like your vehicle needs dont meet that year round.
for such infrequent use, and dedicated towing purpose, I thing the gas FSI engine is the better option for your towing needs. With an OEM hitch its rated for 7700 pound tow capacity just like the diesels. But diesels need a decent high speed run at least once a week and it sounds like your vehicle needs dont meet that year round.
Please explain which Q7 "has a real interior upgrade?" The only Q7 with a better interior starts in 2020+ so that's a big jump in price compared to, say, a 2013+ TDI. Saying this as someone in the market for a S/Q7 over another Treg because of the seating capacity, and the interiors before the 2020 facelift are already dated, or won't age well in short order. The interior in my 2013 Exec is still very handsome and ergonomic.
A) it's Treg. Or Egg. Nobody calls it a trex lol
B) "q7 zero changes mechanically" except the obvious and most significant difference -- the long wheelbase (and 7 vs 5 seating capacity). Which will improve stability for towing but theoretically reduce the towing capacity.
Oh no... You're questioning the expert.... Brace yourself!
We'll see how it goes by not being a dink from the outset. I asked questions that I'm genuinely curious about, related to the difference between my subjective interpretation and his purportedly objective statements of fact.
My advice to you is to go drive a few of each option. See what fits your expectations best, from the interior arrangement/materials, to the responsiveness of the different engine options. What fits in your garage. And so on.
As mentioned, the Cayenne will be more expensive to buy/maintain (and possibly insure), but is said to drive a bit better (not likely a primary concern of yours given annual mileage expectations) when pushed. A Q7 is a long wheelbase version which may suit you better given the towing element. Not sure how many folks or how much cargo you want to haul, but that could potentially be an important point to consider. A Touareg will be roughly 85% the same as a Cayenne, with the same shorter wheelbase; essentially just a Cayenne in sweat pants instead of a tuxedo. Although I much prefer the 7P interior to the Q7 (until 2020, then it's miles better), or the Cayennes. Which is strictly personal preference. The VW will cost a margin less to buy and have/keep maintained, even if many of the mechanical parts are interchangeable.
People here will tell you to go with their favourites, it's human nature to enjoy having your biases confirmed.
I'd wager in the conditions described you'd be fine with a TDI, and that's what I'd recommend. Tough to have too much torque, or too good of mileage. Main thing would be using VCDS or similar to monitor the chain stretch values and the DPF stats, having fresh DEF available, maintaining fresh fuel conditions (biocide for a TDI, fuel stabilizer for a gas engine/no ethanol in the tank during storage), annual oil change regardless of mileage, keeping the battery topped up, and preventing the tires from dry rot/flat spots, etc.
Not sure what Oregon is like for smog, if you're legal/willing to delete that's always a good option and your EGR issues become moot. Failing that, an eco tune like Malone's stage 0.5 will go a long way without having to do the full delete. And for any of them, a transmission tune by yrktreg will improve your driving characteristics while driving and especially towing (IE regaining engine braking).
I've checked out a few q7 and the Interior is better, led lights and more classic audi across the board.
What year Q7?
The 7P also has LEDs, inside and out. Words like "better" are purely subjective and devoid of any quantifiable characteristics.
I daily drove a 2014 Q7 TDI for a few months. That experience was rewarding, and I really fell in love with the 3.0 TDI engine. The torque, the mileage are awesome. Even a Q7 drives like a much smaller vehicle when pushed in a spirited manner. At the same time, it absolutely convinced me on the superior design of the 7P interior; the aesthetics are still relevant, and the driver ergonomics are an order of magnitude more inspired than those of the Q7. That Q7 interior was dated before the dieselgate buy backs occurred. The lack of touchscreen NAV was laughable, especially when a comparable VW already factory equipped at a lower MSRP. The MMI system is useless. The materials are either the same or comparable, although I saw significantly more wear and tear on touch surfaces in the Q7 than I've seen in my Touareg, which has over double the mileage. Most everything else is the same, aside from seating capacity.
So I question your stale assertion that the Q7 has a "better" interior. Unless you're talking 2020+ but that's not a fair comparison considering the domestic market doesn't offer a Touareg anymore. If you look at the same year Treg from Europe, they're really making a strong argument that VW has a higher value for money with the same mechanical platform.
And I say this as a dyed in the wool classic Audi guy.
As much as I like the biblical reply. Every time I got anywhere and I see a nice car, I ask to see more.
Plenty of low model q7s have tiny ass brake but I personal hate my 2012 dash of three color Brown and fake wood.
It was nice to see the 911 turbo Interior today and see after the 997 they went back to early 911 clone dash. My buddy is a Benz dealer. These are discount q7 and Porsche platforms all the same. What's the point your tring to make? In 50 words of less please.
Dude.. "Are ya winning son?"
You just typed two bibles of wtheck. To me. VsOP advise asked for. Just saying.
Best reply yet.
If you're not going to actually stick to the topic at hand, or answer the clearly posed question (what year Q7 are you talking about?), then don't bother.
(23 words.)
I'm not the person you should be replying too. 11 words.
That's not how the forums work (and I think you already know this). You posted something as factual that was clearly subjective at best, thus eliciting a reply. That's fair game.
Since you refuse to answer any of my reasonable and informed questions, IE provided any value to the OP... let's drop it here before yet another thread gets rendered useless.
Since you refuse to answer any of my reasonable and informed questions, IE provided any value to the OP... let's drop it here before yet another thread gets rendered useless.
Oh yes I refused to play your game.. please tell me more about your anger. The OP bro.. you forgot. Are ya winning son?
Not so much...
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