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Hello,
I bought a 2005 V6 TDI Touareg that had slipped a timing chain. Thankfully we fixed that and the engine and transmission now run great. Unfortunately there is an issue with the ABS module, it doesn't communicate in any way with other modules or diagnostics. There is a BRAKE FAULT STOP VEHICLE warning light on the dash screen.
It smells like some bad connection because there was one evening I drove the car where the ABS seemingly came back to life, speedometer came back, A/C started working (weird, right?) and pretty much everything else that was wrong with the car was fine. That hasn't happened since.
I read about the wiring harness under the driver seat and false pedal, I took the carpet off and inspected the joins, all were flawless and no sign of water was found.
I checked all 3 fuses related to the ABS module and they are all fine.
I checked the relay 433 under the driver seat, took it off and lost power to the TCM and AWD modules, so it is working correctly.
I checked the pins on the ABS module plug, tested 12V and Ground with the multimeter, both present. CAN LOW was ~2.3V and CAN HIGH was ~2.7V. Maybe I should test with a test lamp the power.
The two big power pins I tested are always powered, should I also look for an ignition pin?
I got another ABS module from a V10 TDI and hooked it up today, no change.
I have downloaded everything available for the car from VW erWin, but I really have a hard time finding the issue.

Hopefully someone more knowledgeable can shed some light on this.

Here is a full VCDS Auto Scan:

Code:
Chassis Type: XX (7L - VW Touareg (2003 > 11/2006))
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 08 09 11 13 15 16 17 18 19 1C 22 29 32 34 36
          37 39 3C 46 47 55 56 57 64 65 68 69 6C 6D 6E 75 76 77
 
VIN: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX   Mileage: 286890km-178265miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 059-907-401-ASB.clb
   Part No SW: 7L0 907 401     HW: 8E0 907 401 AB
   Component: 3.0L V6TDI  G001AG  0110 
   Revision: --H02---    Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
   Coding: 0011775
   Shop #: WSC 00801 202 67954
   VCID: 68DF0DA75873D20F31-515A

2 Faults Found:
005705 - Powertrain Data Bus
               P1649 - 001 - Missing Message from ABS Controller
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 286890 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 756 /min
                    Torque: 93.6 Nm
                    Speed: 3.4 km/h
                    (no units): 11.0
                    Voltage: 14.14 V
                    (no units): 1.0

006400 - Coolant Fan Control 2
               P1900 - 001 - Open or Short to Ground
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 286890 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 756 /min
                    Torque: 93.6 Nm
                    Speed: 3.4 km/h
                    Duty Cycle: 9.9 %
                    Voltage: 14.14 V
                    Duty Cycle: 9.9 %
                    Duty Cycle: 9.9 %

Readiness: 1 1 0 0 0

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09D-927-750.clb
   Part No: 09D 927 750 D
   Component: AL 750 6A           0878 
   Coding: 0004200
   Shop #: WSC 00835 264 91283
   VCID: 2F6DA6BBBD1D453730-5178

1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels: 3D0-909-13x-05.lbl
   Part No SW: 3D0 909 135 N    HW: 5WK 470 21
   Component:    Kessy            6610 
   Revision: 66105312    Serial number: VWZ3Z0E1348000
   Coding: 0000232
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 306FA5C7A0235ACF29-515A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
   Component: ELV                 XXXX

2 Faults Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)
            013 - Check DTC Memory

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 7L6-907-040.clb
   Part No: 7L6 907 040 L
   Component: CLIMAtronic R/L     4017 
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 397998E373599B879E-5178

1 Fault Found:
01592 - Air Quality Sensor (G238)
            010 - Open or Short to Plus

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 7Lx-937-049-V1.clb
   Part No: 7L6 937 049 M
   Component:                     3001 
   Coding: 0103676
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 4683E31F32A7E47FE3-5178

1 Fault Found:
00907 - Intervention load Management
            000 - -

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 3D0-909-601.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 601 F
   Component: 0B Airbag 8.4E+ H11 1151 
   Coding: 0012354
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 2643439F92E7047FC3-515A

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 7L6-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 953 549 D
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul     3301 
   Coding: 0000031
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 408FF5071083CA4FD9-515A

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7L6-920-xxx-7LA.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 920 881 A
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT RB8 3135 
   Coding: 0007111
   Shop #: WSC 00835 264 96640
   VCID: 366393DF424774FF73-5178

1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 18: Aux. Heat        Labels: 7L6-819-008.clb
   Part No: 7L6 815 071 C
   Component: Standheizung E1MAC   
   Coding: 0000000
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 326BAFCFAE2F68DF5F-5178

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901
   Component: Gateway K<>CAN      0101 
   Coding: 0000006
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 70EF65C760A31ACF69-5178

1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: None
   Part No: 0AD 927 755 BE
   Component: TRANSFERCASE        0122 
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 7F0DB6FB2DFD75B7E0-515A

1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 34: Level Control        Labels: 7Lx-907-553-34.clb
   Part No: 7L0 907 553 F
   Component: LUFTFDR.-CDC- 3C3P1 3081 
   Coding: 0015521
   Shop #: WSC 12345 264 45725
   VCID: 366393DF424774FF73-515A

2 Faults Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 37: Navigation        Labels: 7L6-919-887-DVD.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 919 887 H
   Component:      Navigation     0030 
   Coding: 0000101
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 4B95D22B29C519173C-515A

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7L0-959-933.lbl
   Part No: 7L0 959 933 F
   Component:    HSG              0300 
   Coding: 0000065
   Shop #: WSC 12345 264 45725
   VCID: 3F8DF6FB6D7DB5B7A0-4B32

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L0 959 701 G
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet FS 0201

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L0 959 702 G
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet BF 0201

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 7L6 959 703
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HL 0202

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 7L6 959 704
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HR 0202

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 7L0 907 719
   Component:    Neigungssensor   0020

   Subsystem 6 - Part No: 7L6 951 171
   Component: B  Innenraumsensor  0020

1 Fault Found:
01312 - Powertrain Data Bus
            013 - Check DTC Memory

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 7L6-907-357.lbl
   Part No SW: 7L6 907 357     HW: 7L6 907 357
   Component: AFS-Steuergeraet    X016 
   Revision:   H09       Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 78FF5DE708D3428FA1-515A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329   Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul l    X017 
   Coding: 00000034

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 330
   Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul r    X017 
   Coding: 00000034

1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100100
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 30
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 7L6-035-186-DVD.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 035 186 C
   Component:        Radio        0030 
   Coding: 0014450
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 3365AACB513561D754-515A

No fault code found.

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Address 68: Wiper Electr.        Labels: 7L0-955-119-V2.clb
   Part No: 7L0 955 119 K
   Component: Front Wiper         4027 
   Coding: 0000855
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 376832
   VCID: 3C7781F77C6BAEAF85-515A

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 R  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
   Component: RegenLichtSens 010  1010 
   Coding: 00208933
   Shop #: WSC 31414 

1 Fault Found:
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)
            013 - Check DTC Memory

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No: 7L0 919 283 F
   Component: 0E Einparkhilfe     1107 
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 397998E373599B879E-5178

1 Fault Found:
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)
            013 - Check DTC Memory

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Discussion starter · #4 ·
The brake controller appears to be missing from your scan also..... can you go under that controller directly and check for codes?
Unfortunately no, VCDS can't communicate with it. Neither can any module in the car. I checked CAN low and high voltage but I don't have an oscilloscope handy to check for anything abnormal but I suppose that other systems would malfunction too if the CAN network is disrupted, what do you think?
 
Discussion starter · #8 ·
Inspect the connector\pins\contacts on modules... if you have all those 3 requirements and a working module, it should communicate.
I just went back and tested with a lamp to put some load on the circuit, it is okay but the voltage seems low. 11.8V with ignition on. On the jump terminals it is the same voltage but the dash shows 12.5V. Do you know if this voltage drop is normal?
I will inspect the pins closer tomorrow. Thank you!
 
Tested with the multimeter yes, 12V and continuity to GND, with the plug unplugged. I will go now and probe with a test lamp, I think that maybe if there is bad ground or power the voltage may drop too low for the module to power on.
Instead of just using the multimeter, use a test lamp or some kind of actual load to verify the power and ground for the ABS-module, line you were speculating earlier.

Edit: Seems that you just did this. Good.
 
Is the ABS-module using high speed CAN? If so, have you checked the can bus resistance? You should see around 60 ohms between the CAN high and CAN low if the modules with the 120 ohm resistors are connected. If the ABS-module is one of those modules and you have to disconnect it to be able to measure, then you should see 120 ohms between the two lines. And this measurement should be done with the power off.

But again, this is valid only for a high speed CAN bus. For low speed CAN it is more complicated.
 
Discussion starter · #14 ·
I think I have found the problem. Fuse 38 (TCS and ESP button ABS with EDL control unit) is powered on ignition. According to the wiring diagram it should connect to pin 4 of the T47b plug of the ABS module. I tried ignition on/off and I get nothing on pin 4.

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Discussion starter · #15 ·
Problem solved!
At some point mice were involved and they chewed the cable insulation. Then water got to work and the ignition wire for the ABS was so corroded that when I bent it it snapped... :)
2 wires were affected, one ground wire was previously repaired before and I renewed the joins preventively. Now everything that was acting up started working, the A/C works, air suspension and low range also started working normally.
Thanks to everyone that tried to help!

Here is a picture of what the loom looks like, under the ECM and cabin air intake, maybe someone will find it useful.
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