I am about to schedule the fix for my 2014 RLine TDI Touareg. Anyone had it done and if so what has been the results. Fuel economy is a concern but mostly performance. Any feedback will be appreciated.
2014 Touareg TDI Fix Reports
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yah all tunes offer obd self tuning....kerma ive never heard of anyone running their tunes around here on any common rail vehicles....let alone a touareg. They dont do any delete tunes so if you decide to do that later you cant and im not a fan of their attitude and salesmanship. There are better tunes and companies
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Warranty, sure.
DEF fills? Highly unlikely they'll scan your vehicle when they fill DEF between maintenance schedules. More likely a quick trip to the service bay, a DEF fill from the bulk tank, and on your way.
Even if they did, I'm not sure they'd preclude you from getting DEF, since you did receive the fix.
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Such as i dunno jr auto tuning...malone tuning. Both have better tunes and service then kerma. Like i said you wait for someone to chime in with a kerma tuned touareg youill be waiting a while, ive never heard of anyone on any forum im on.
Its pretty pointless, first off def fill takes 30 seconds, you lift the carpet and pop a cap and poor it in....second regardless of who or what brand of tune you go with they can see the computer has been tampered with regardless if you think putting factor tune on tricks them...it dont. Having said that oil change/ def change they are not going to waste time and money scanning your car for no reason
Malone has a flashzilla module that you can use to load and unload the ECM I think, saw something on their site about it. So my understanding is you buy Flashzilla module and can download files onto it, emailed from Malone and In turn load those files onto the ECM without removing from vehicle. As I live relatively close (to Malone) I drove down to their store front and had my tuning done there through the OBD port. Not sure how JR Tuning works in terms of loading tunes onto ECM, hopefully tdimark69 will chime in here.
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Thanks for the information related to the dealer always seeing the computer has been tampered with, I had no idea. That is why forums are good.
Happy holidays, Merry Christmas, and/or Happy New Years! Respecting others is always nice, not sure what I did to get the condescending (appearing) reply "Such as i dunno...." That is why forums are bad.
Just trying to learn, Thanks!
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all tuners have these and they are all the same...it is a powergate obd2 programmer with their logo on it and intro screen.
Ok cool, thanks tdimark.... so the notion is you purchase a programmer, with files of your choice on it and load it via the OBD port. So what happens if you choose to load back to stock files and you’ve completed a DPF, SCR and AdBlue deletes? Thinking the ECM in stock format will not like seeing the various deletes and you’ll get a significant number of diagnostic codes?
I didn’t do a programmer and didn’t wanna ship off my ECM in addition Malone’s office is close to me (3 hours away) so I visited their facility in person.
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The programmer is so you can change tunes when you want...first you read and save your stock tune on it then back up on the computer if you like. Then your tuner will either build you a tune or send you a box tune via email and you load it on..super easy. Going to a facility is great however i like the fact i can change the stage of my tune or request a different tune and do it in my lane in 10 mins. Even better heaven forbid something goes wrong with the tune i can revert back stages or get a new tune via email.
Yes you cant run a stock tune on a deleted system, this is the same regardless of how you tune it at the dealer or obd2. The adblue system does not like it. However there is no reason to go back to stock, the components are out anyway they are bound to see that before what tune is on it. Your tuner could build you a stock hp tune with delete codes tho if thats what you want.
My dealer likes my deletes they are blown away by it and i usually have to take a few techs for a ride when i go in lol...or salesmen lol. Same when i brought my stage 3.6 cr in.
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Thanks for the clarification Tdimark... my concern was at the dealership if they tried to over write my Malone tune with a new stock one and what would happen.
Continuing along the line of programmers so can I load say a Malone tune on my ECM, and save a copy on my laptop. Then pull the Malone off and say try a JR tune?
I know with my 7.3 Diesel power stroke engines I have a chipset that can store 17 different programs from different vendors and can switch programs on the fly (of course have to lift off on throttle first).
Would be nice to have the same flexibility with the TDi.
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well i dont think they just flash your ecu without your consent its your vehicle...so i would just tell them you dont touch the ecu...but thats me. If they did i would imagine you will have plenty of codes and seeing you removed fuses for urea system it may not start...however if your urea tank is empty your not going anywhere if the fuses are in...and if it has fluid and the fuses are in it will emit urea into the exhaust that may or may not catch on fire i am unsure.
I would just make sure a ecu flash isnt done and not worry about it.
Multiple tuners on one powergate im really not sure, i dont fully know what all goes into the programming for their software....they both use powergates but im not sure you can use one for both. You would need to reach out to them.
However seems pretty costly either way to run 2 tune brands.
Ok thanks for the reply Tdimark69. Shall give the guys at Malone a shout when I get time. I know cost wise for my Hydra chip set it’s like $25.00 per tune, However I’m thinking the powerstroke 7.3s are way less complex and there are thousands of them out there with lots running tunes. Much better economy of scale than the 3.0 TDi I’m thinking and therefore less cost now for tunes.
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I had my 2014 fixed a couple of weeks ago. I haven't run a full tank on it yet, and we have been super cold, so I can't comment on mileage yet. Power seems about the same, maybe delivered slightly differently. My main concern, and what I have noticed mostly, is that it hangs in the lower gears much longer, to a higher rpm. When driving in town, it stays in a lower gear than before, and runs in upper 2000's rpm range, hanging around 2800 or so, instead of shifting into a higher gear.
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Mine definitely stays in a lower gear longer but it is mostly during warmup. It really wants to hang on to 3rd in the neighborhood after leaving my house.. even letting it sustain 3k on a cold motor. I don’t like it at all.
I think it is to warm up the exhaust system components more quickly.. or at least that’s my guess.
That said.. once engine temps are up (not just water.. seems to take longer like maybe it’s measuring and reacting to oil temp) it uses similar gears to before the fix.
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I had my 2014 fixed a couple of weeks ago. I haven't run a full tank on it yet, and we have been super cold, so I can't comment on mileage yet. Power seems about the same, maybe delivered slightly differently. My main concern, and what I have noticed mostly, is that it hangs in the lower gears much longer, to a higher rpm. When driving in town, it stays in a lower gear than before, and runs in upper 2000's rpm range, hanging around 2800 or so, instead of shifting into a higher gear.
2014 TDI Lux
Mine definitely stays in a lower gear longer but it is mostly during warmup. It really wants to hang on to 3rd in the neighborhood after leaving my house.. even letting it sustain 3k on a cold motor. I don’t like it at all.
I think it is to warm up the exhaust system components more quickly.. or at least that’s my guess.
That said.. once engine temps are up (not just water.. seems to take longer like maybe it’s measuring and reacting to oil temp) it uses similar gears to before the fix.
My 13 was fixed a few weeks ago and agree with above comments. It's been very cold in Mn since the fix and I find myself manually force upshifts until car is warm, I don't like the engine revving near 3k.
2014 TDI Lux
Mine definitely stays in a lower gear longer but it is mostly during warmup. It really wants to hang on to 3rd in the neighborhood after leaving my house.. even letting it sustain 3k on a cold motor. I don’t like it at all.
I think it is to warm up the exhaust system components more quickly.. or at least that’s my guess.
That said.. once engine temps are up (not just water.. seems to take longer like maybe it’s measuring and reacting to oil temp) it uses similar gears to before the fix.
My 13 was fixed a few weeks ago and agree with above comments. It's been very cold in Mn since the fix and I find myself manually force upshifts until car is warm, I don't like the engine revving near 3k.
Post fix the 2013 felt it was hesitating more; the motor is audibly a diesel now, mpg was down about 5%.
Flashzilla is a worthwhile tool; Malone had a Black Friday sale on the tool and I picked it up anticipating worse post-fix performance than what the vehicle actually performed like after the "fix".
FYI, Flashzilla is a tool made by Alientech in Italy; there is a chance you may find it for less elsewhere, although Malone's pricing is very good.
Stage 2 flash was impeded by the fact that Alientech has to build out its database of calibration files, the ECU is different now, effectively, so in my case, Flashzilla couldn't read my ECU right away; it took a few extra days for the database to be updated with the code requested by ECU. (you will need to read through the flashing procedure to fully make sense of the sentence above).
It is also worth mentioning that with Flashzilla you can flash the stock file before a trip to dealership to avoid being accused of a flash and loss of warranty. This isn't foolproof as the ECU keeps track of the number of times it was flashed but it's certainly better than rolling up with a flashed ECU.
Post fix and post Stage 2 flash, Touareg is definitely faster and quicker but I still miss the refinement of how it felt prior to the fix. It's not exactly a rocket ship as you'd think when looking at 339 bhp and 528lb-ft figures. The low RPM power isn't there, then it surges with ferocity once the pressure builds up. Fuel economy seems improved post tune, given you drive it with a light foot. Just made a 140 mile round trip in mixed driving conditions and averaged right at 30mpg on the computer display (not verifed at the pump) which is >1mpg more than before the fix on the same trip.
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Flashzilla is a worthwhile tool; Malone had a Black Friday sale on the tool and I picked it up anticipating worse post-fix performance than what the vehicle actually performed like after the "fix".
FYI, Flashzilla is a tool made by Alientech in Italy; there is a chance you may find it for less elsewhere, although Malone's pricing is very good.
Stage 2 flash was impeded by the fact that Alientech has to build out its database of calibration files, the ECU is different now, effectively, so in my case, Flashzilla couldn't read my ECU right away; it took a few extra days for the database to be updated with the code requested by ECU. (you will need to read through the flashing procedure to fully make sense of the sentence above).
It is also worth mentioning that with Flashzilla you can flash the stock file before a trip to dealership to avoid being accused of a flash and loss of warranty. This isn't foolproof as the ECU keeps track of the number of times it was flashed but it's certainly better than rolling up with a flashed ECU.
Post fix and post Stage 2 flash, Touareg is definitely faster and quicker but I still miss the refinement of how it felt prior to the fix. It's not exactly a rocket ship as you'd think when looking at 339 bhp and 528lb-ft figures. The low RPM power isn't there, then it surges with ferocity once the pressure builds up. Fuel economy seems improved post tune, given you drive it with a light foot. Just made a 140 mile round trip in mixed driving conditions and averaged right at 30mpg on the computer display (not verifed at the pump) which is >1mpg more than before the fix on the same trip.
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