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Discussion starter · #1 ·
Hi,

just thought I'd put up an FYI on engine oil changes...you probably all know this already...

I was doing my first DIY service on my '05 VW Touareg, and was sourcing oil.
After research, I learned my engine is only spec'd to VW506.01 (0w-30) oil.
Seemly because it's pre '06, with no DPF, only this oil is suitable.
Every other VW engine will work fine with the new spec VW507.00 5w-30, which is easy to get now, and has (in most cases) superseeded 506.01.

After many phone calls and visits to motor factors, I noticed many VW garages aren't aware of this, and have been using VW507.00 5w-30, and most motor factors were adoment 507.00 would do grand.
I would have thought VW garages at least would be the 'Holy Grail' of knowledge on this ??!!
It came as a bit of a shock to me, as there must be tonnes of pre-'06 VW R5 Transporters and other R5 engines out there besides the Touareg, getting service in VW garages with the wrong oil !

Anyone else come across this? Have you been using the wrong oil too ?

/Eric.
 
#2 ·
Hi Irish,

That's excatly what is happening here in France too. Dealers are now using VW 507.00 spec exclusively for every V10/R5, though the actual spec is 506.01.
They all say 507.00 is fine for V10/R5 motors, more recent and superseeds 506.01 specs.
Is that correct? Is 507.00 spec suitable for '04, '05 V10/R5 engines? Where can we find reliable info?
TIA
 
Discussion starter · #3 ·
so I'm not the only one! thanks.
Yeah, this info can be found on most reputable oil manufacturers,
castrol, liqui moly, fuchs, etc...
Usually an asterix "*" on the Spec details, with info below "except pre '06 R5/V10 engines".

Castrol don't actually do an oil spec'd 506.01 anymore,
yet some VW garages I noticed only use Castrol oil !
One VW garage's Techical Manager I rang said 507.00 would be grand and it's all we use. I told him it wouldn't. He never heard such a thing, so we went off and rang Castrol. In fairness to him, he rand me back and said "oh, yes, you're right, that oil won't work in your car". When I tried query him in to why he wasn't aware of this, and is this the only oil you use?, he just fobbed me off with the "usually superseeds all 506.01" bull again. We can get in the oil you need, but only comes in 60lt drums.
Yeah right....I've got use for 60lts of oil !

I'm not sure what happens if you do use it, I'm no expert, I did read something about the 5w-30 been too thick to travel to certain parts of the engine, crankshaft issues or something...can't be sure. My 'Reg has never really ran good, we'll see if this fresh oil helps. I'm putting it in today. (managed to get Elf VW605.01 spec'd oil on the cheap!)
 
#4 ·
OK many thanks Irish Touareg.
I will see that with my dealer on next service (very soon as I have the "Service now" alert shouting). They will have 506.01 spec even if they need to buy a full tank!!
Personally, I found VW OEM oil on ebay.de (the gray bottle with OEM Audi/VW/Skoda label on it - 5 L for 49€ plus shipping).
My Treg is running fine, but it seems oil consumption is a bit exagerated. I must fill it every 2,000 km or so (generally adding 0,4/0,5L). I'm aware the manual indicates that oil consumption can reach up to 1L/1,000 km (which I'm far of), but I don't consider this extra consumption as normal. First car ever in which I need to add oil between services - and so frequently (never add a drop of oil in my former Toy LC KDJ120 and HDJ100, with a much bigger cylinder head!).
 
Discussion starter · #5 ·
Yeah, mine needs topping up every now and then alright. Seems to be common with these old engines (R5 has been around for gererations!)
I should have bought a 3.0 V6 auto, then we wouldn't have as much hassle with oil and old smokey engines !

Thanks for the tip on ebay.de, I must look up that.

Can't do the oil change today, still waiting on the motor factors to get in the oil extractor. I tried the sump drain way yesterday, couldn't even get off the corroded bolts that hold the cover...so to hell with that, I'll extract the oil out!
Mixed reviews on these oil extractors online, with sump gunk and leftovers, but they use them in VW garages....has anyone used them ?

/Eric.
 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
Just a quick word regarding the oil extractors...seems to be a good job alright.
It got out most if not all the oil. So much easier than the sump plug way.
Heating up the oil prior makes it flow so easily.

I got a loan of one, a hand pump, not sure if the compressor type would be better, the hand pump seems to have a good enough vacuum.

Better to get one that can hold 9lts or more, so you'll know if you get it all out or not. I'd only a 6.5lt, so took two goes.

/Eric.
 
#7 ·
Using the right oil is critical as the later oil has poorer shear qualities and results in excessive camshaft tip wear as these are not being lubricated properly.
 
#8 ·
noobytoogy said:
Using the right oil is critical as the later oil has poorer shear qualities and results in excessive camshaft tip wear as these are not being lubricated properly.
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Its not the camshaft lobe wear ( Tip is an mechanical incorrect term often used by folk who read about mending things but dont have the abililty ) The main problem of the R5's and V10's is the extra wear that takes place on the Timing Gears and sprockets that causes the main problem.

All VAG PD engines esp the 1.9 PD TDI which found in lots of VW's etc are suffering from Cam Lobe wear, particulary the 150BHP versions.!
 
Discussion starter · #11 ·
Stewart,

you need to only use VW 506.01 rated. Yours is the same as mine.
I know what your thinking...it's doubtful it has the right oil in it right now,
but at least from now on, you can use the correct oil, and hope there is no internal damage. Do them yourself, don't rely on garages.

That's why I put up the post, as I was shocked how many VW garages weren't aware of this, and have been using 5w30 - VW507.00 (eg: castrol).

There are a few options, it is expensive oil.
You can use Fuch's oil from GSF parts, they seem to be the cheapest around.
The good stuff is Liqui Moly, but it's expensive stuff - roughly €80/5lts.
(Although I did find a motor factors who would have done it for me for €54 per 5lts - QCP in Swords, Dublin)

I got Elf Evolution from GSF for €10 per ltr, which was great, I took all he had, he wanted rid of it. I'd say as time goes on, it will be tough to get our specified oil, as VW507.00 has superseeded all except our R5/V10's.

/Eric.
 
#12 ·
My R5 Treg is going to be serviced on Monday (90,000 km service though it has just reached 80,000 km - but the 2 year period for LL service elapsed), and I WILL NOT accept 507.00 spec!!!! :mad:
Basically, what are the main reasons not to use 507.00? I'd like to make good case against using 507.00.
TIA
 
#13 ·
It is a VW spec. specifically for that engine.

End of conversation!!
 
#14 ·
Thanks just had service done two weeks ago so I will have to change it all again, what a pain in the backside, but as you said better to know now and be wise again thanks yours Stewart
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
Hey Stewart,

make sure you have the wrong oil in it before replacing it, especially as it's only in there 2 weeks. It's an expensive option on you again !

Also, If you're not using longlife oil, garages just use 505.00 or 503.00 rated oil usually (can't be sure which it is exactly, it's in the car manual)
Which is grand, it just has to be changed more frequently.

/Eric.

German said:
Thanks just had service done two weeks ago so I will have to change it all again, what a pain in the backside, but as you said better to know now and be wise again thanks yours Stewart
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Discussion starter · #17 ·
I don't believe you're correct there Chester.
There are other manufacturers who make VW506.01 rated 0w-30 oil.
To name a few off the top of my head...Fuchs, Liqui Moly, Miller, Elf.

chesters said:
VW spec 506.01 ( Longlife II ) NOT 507.00 ( Longlife III )

The only other retail supplier of 506.01 other than VW themselves is FUCHS they make a specific 506.01.

Nooby - Take note!!
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#18 ·
And it's a different grade again [with lots of suppliers!] if you go to fixed service intervals - for example if you do lots of short journies that degrade your oil faster - rather than long life.
 
#19 ·
OK, so I took my Treg for servicing this morning.
First thing I asked the rep was to tell me which oil they were going to use in my oil sump. He took out a leaflet which he browsed a few seconds and then pointed to 507.00 spec.
I immediatly stated that I refused to have my vehicle filled wih this type of oil, which puzzled him. He went straight to the workshop to ask the workshop foreman, and came back two minutes later with a one liter bottle of 506.01 oil in the hand, and confirming they were going to use this 506.01 spec, that I was right regarding spec for R5 & V10 TDIs. :cool:
So DO NOT accept 507.00 spec, whatever they tell you about 507 superseeding other specs, and so on!

And many thanks for your help!
 
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