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DFE and adblue delete, Malone or APR tuning

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I have a 2014 TDI 3.0L and am going to receive the fix soon. Rather than deal with the crappy fix I want to go with a software tune and possibly even delete the emissions stuff. (yes I'm aware it's off road only)

Thinking something like this

https://malonetuning.com/ecu-tuning/...tdi/30l-v6-tdi

https://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_tdi.html

and possibly this
https://www.rawtekinc.com/collection...ant=7740600835

Does anyone have experience with these mods and tunes? Not too worried about cost, just want a reliable, more powerful Touareg with good MPGs. Don't care about emissions as they don't test in my area.

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I actually just did this to my 2013 Touareg LUX. I wasn't a big fan of the new shift points and had some shudder in the lower RPM's doing city driving. I scheduled an appointment with a Malone reseller who also installed the buzzken DPF delete. Performance change is remarkable, torque is through the roof. I made a calculated bet to get VW's fix, then take it to get tuned. Really the only thing I am worried about is the HPFP blowing up and any warranty work (or issues I might encounter because of tune) necessary. If anything this should extend the life of cat and turbo.

MPG's you might get 10%, although with the added power its hard to not use it and decrease the milage with a heavy foot.

With the tune and delete I dont really hear much change in exhaust note, although under even moderate throttle you can definitely see the diesel cloud out the exhaust. It now smells like a diesel too, which could turn some people off. You cant smell this in the cabin but once you roll windows down or in the garage its noticeable.
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i suggest jrauto tuning....for the 3.0 they are on top...my tuner is buzzken and we have tried both, jr is the way to go...silky smooth power house

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What was your reasoning for doing the DFE, delete and not just the tune? The guys at Malone say the tune works well either way.

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Did you just do the tune?

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I actually just did this to my 2013 Touareg LUX. I wasn't a big fan of the new shift points and had some shudder in the lower RPM's doing city driving. I scheduled an appointment with a Malone reseller who also installed the buzzken DPF delete. Performance change is remarkable, torque is through the roof. I made a calculated bet to get VW's fix, then take it to get tuned. Really the only thing I am worried about is the HPFP blowing up and any warranty work (or issues I might encounter because of tune) necessary. If anything this should extend the life of cat and turbo.

MPG's you might get 10%, although with the added power its hard to not use it and decrease the milage with a heavy foot.

With the tune and delete I dont really hear much change in exhaust note, although under even moderate throttle you can definitely see the diesel cloud out the exhaust. It now smells like a diesel too, which could turn some people off. You cant smell this in the cabin but once you roll windows down or in the garage its noticeable.
What was your reasoning for doing the delete and the tune instead of just the tune?

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I did it for a couple reasons.

1. More power with the tune.
2. Less complex system.

I debated the pro's and cons of tuning and doing the delete, but honestly the delete takes care of so many issues the TDI is notorious for. No more ad-blue, no more issues with DPF and SCR, no more issues with ad-blue heater. Overall it leads to less wear on turbo's and EGR valve. Outside of turbo failure, or HPFP failure, I cant see many other things to worry about. It could be short sighted of me, but the power is unreal.

If I do have issues I have all the parts and can tune it back to stock. I know on the Audi side they flag you for ANY changes made to the ECU, whether the tune is stock or not, so I figured if I am going to do it, why not go big. I would have to enquire with Malone, but I am wondering if tune without delete leads to faster DPF failure or regeneration.
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I did it for a couple reasons.

1. More power with the tune.
2. Less complex system.

I debated the pro's and cons of tuning and doing the delete, but honestly the delete takes care of so many issues the TDI is notorious for. No more ad-blue, no more issues with DPF and SCR, no more issues with ad-blue heater. Overall it leads to less wear on turbo's and EGR valve. Outside of turbo failure, or HPFP failure, I cant see many other things to worry about. It could be short sighted of me, but the power is unreal.

If I do have issues I have all the parts and can tune it back to stock. I know on the Audi side they flag you for ANY changes made to the ECU, whether the tune is stock or not, so I figured if I am going to do it, why not go big. I would have to enquire with Malone, but I am wondering if tune without delete leads to faster DPF failure or regeneration.
Well, I guess my last question is this. Since my wife commutes in the car. Do you think she'd notice the smell and additional black smoke in the rear view mirror?

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I had this same dilemma actually. I didn't make a point of bringing it up and she hasn't said anything. Unless you are letting your TDI idle in enclosed spaces I would say its unnoticeable. Since its winter I haven't had much of an opportunity to roll the windows down, but if you sit in traffic with the windows down in the summer I would say you might notice it. Its definitely NOT noticeable in the cabin.

As far as driving and seeing smoke, I notice it because i am looking for it, but after a week my wife hasn't said anything. If you had someone following you and you floor it, you would give them a pretty solid cloud.

All that said, I love the performance gains.
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I had this same dilemma actually. I didn't make a point of bringing it up and she hasn't said anything. Unless you are letting your TDI idle in enclosed spaces I would say its unnoticeable. Since its winter I haven't had much of an opportunity to roll the windows down, but if you sit in traffic with the windows down in the summer I would say you might notice it. Its definitely NOT noticeable in the cabin.

As far as driving and seeing smoke, I notice it because i am looking for it, but after a week my wife hasn't said anything. If you had someone following you and you floor it, you would give them a pretty solid cloud.

All that said, I love the performance gains.
LOL. This is about what I figured. I'd like to just do the delete's and be done with it. She doesn't floor it much so I doubt she'd notice. But she works for IDEM (indiana department of enviromental management) Which is basically state level EPA in air quality. Kinda funny either way.

Got any video of it rolling coal?

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