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Old 02-24-2019
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Thanks that was the sort of info I was looking Patr80l as I have purchased a 2014 4motion with the air suspension and just wanted to know if it was generally decent enough to take off road I drive a Toyota V8 Troopy everyday for work with a lot of off road stuff as part of my job and all my other 4x4 have been manual dual range just looking for some responses from people with real experience




QUOTE=Patr80l;2036407]I've said this before: an automatic with a relatively low first gear and electronic trickery will get you through.

I don't think I've ever needed low first to ascend in any of my various manual transmission vehicles (Landcruisers and Patrols). Low second was enough. An automatic with plenty of torque will creep up hills with ease. The torque converter will look after that.

I don't think an automatic is great for descents, with or without low range. Let the electronic hill descent use the brakes to look after that.

I've had a 2007 4XMotion TDI with steel springs and now drive a 2016 4Motion TDI with air suspension (The 4XMotion was no longer available here by 2016). Driver skill may compensate for fewer choices of ratios but it can't replace ground clearance.

and like others have said; it really depends on the tyres. I have a second set of rims with 18" General Grabbers for the bush. The 20" Pirellis stay at home.
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We’ve had the 4motion along on some of the very tricky rock crawling trails. Whilst the going was much slower for it, it got through most if it. Clearance is a an issue, but you have air. Put a good set of off road tyres and it will do you justice

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Singh makes a really good point that really puts it in perspective.

Between air and low range, you will use and benefit from the air suspension more often.
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Thanks that was the sort of info I was looking Patr80l as I have purchased a 2014 4motion with the air suspension and just wanted to know if it was generally decent enough to take off road I drive a Toyota V8 Troopy everyday for work with a lot of off road stuff as part of my job and all my other 4x4 have been manual dual range just looking for some responses from people with real experience
Glad to help. Sounds like you've got the skill set. It will be just a matter of adapting to a different squeeze of the right foot.
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2018 Treg muster in QLD had about 12 Touaregs, which were a mix of Touaregs with some with air some with low range and some with the Lot.


Well worth having alook at the 2018 Treg muster video which has footage of a number playing in the Imbil State Forest. All got through and had a great day. I would definately say that the Air Suspension is more important than Low Range. We tackled reasonably steep hills that alot would not have tried if non in a group with all getting through. 8 Speed gearbox low first and great hill desent . I 100% agree that although Low Range with Locking Diffs would get you further, The ones with no Low Range but with Air made it without touching underneath and coped really well.


Yes 2014 Was last of teh Low Range Option (I think Coight57) may have the last one that was sold.


If you have Air good Tyres , you will be amazed at just how capable they are. I have Had Cruisers, Prados, Pajeros and no think I would have got any further in these.


Keep an eye out for the 2019 Treg Muster as we hope to do NSW or Vic

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Since you don't have mountains to contend with, you will probably be fine without low range. Normally, I say don't leave home without it.

The newer Toauregs seem to have a lower 1st gear than the first 2 generations and in my experience, even my 2008 (6 speed slush box) seems to lock the torque converter when I am off the accelerator and going downhill. It offers excellent engine compression braking for an automatic transmission. That is one of the reasons I usually recommend low range. The other reason (extra torque from the actual low range gear) is addressed by the lower 1st gear in the newer transmissions.

So go have fun. And if you do get stuck, well, that's why you have friends with you.
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Some of my observations, having 4XMotion:
1. Yes, I could have done almost of all of my off-roading in high-range - you don't need low-range to do the Kimberley IMO; you don't need low-range to do the firetrails in the VIC/NSW alpine high country IMO - if you are a competent driver with 4Motion.
2. However, in 4xMotion, you cannot manually lock centre diff or rear diff unless you are in low-range: useful for those steep uphill fire trail inclines where lots of loose rocks make traction problematic. Not sure about locking diff(s) in 4Motion.
3. I have driven my 4XMotion all over our farm, which is pretty steep in many places - hi-range was good enough; and I only engaged low-range to crawl into and out of gullies and creek crossings.
4. IMO, the best benefit of low-range is having a low reverse - which is indeed very useful for reversing a caravan/boat/heavy trailer up a steep driveway - so much more control.

Could I live without low range, given the 8-speed box? Yes.

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I used to have a very awkward, 90 degree, blind, width limited, uphill turn on loose gravel to negotiate with 2.5 tons on the car trailer - select reverse in low range and you can just tickle the throttle as you wind the lock on and off on the steering wheel. Makes tricky trailer manoeuvring a doddle.

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Recently bought a 2014 Treg with air suspension but no dual range, and had it out on some tracks for the first time this weekend. I'm running 17s with new Pirelli Atr plus tyres. I'm not a super experienced off roader. The tracks were dry.

We did some hill climbs to see how the Treg stands up and I'm impressed by just how well it tractored up some very steep sections, with loose gravel/dust underfoot. Locking the centre diff did help with traction, but TBH I only used it once or twice as mostly the 4motion alone seemed to do very well. The auto trans managed very well, holding gears at low revs and letting all that torque do the work. Hill descent was excellent and always felt very controlled. I'm not sure dual range would have added much in this instance. Unfortunately no pics on hand but if I can get hold of some I'll upload them.

I'm confident the car is more capable than me, and I'm looking forward to stretching our limits further next time out. One thing about clearance: it seems the centre diff can't be locked with the suspension at the highest (Special Off Road) setting ��- a bit of a surprise to discover and something to keep in mind as I'd guess max clearance may well be needed when you'd also need max traction? All the same, I'm very impressed (as we're my Ford Ranger driving friends)
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I haven't locked my diff yet, and I go on the beach lol. So light off roading haha.
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Recently bought a 2014 Treg with air suspension but no dual range, and had it out on some tracks for the first time this weekend. I'm running 17s with new Pirelli Atr plus tyres. I'm not a super experienced off roader. The tracks were dry.

We did some hill climbs to see how the Treg stands up and I'm impressed by just how well it tractored up some very steep sections, with loose gravel/dust underfoot. Locking the centre diff did help with traction, but TBH I only used it once or twice as mostly the 4motion alone seemed to do very well. The auto trans managed very well, holding gears at low revs and letting all that torque do the work. Hill descent was excellent and always felt very controlled. I'm not sure dual range would have added much in this instance. Unfortunately no pics on hand but if I can get hold of some I'll upload them.

I'm confident the car is more capable than me, and I'm looking forward to stretching our limits further next time out. One thing about clearance: it seems the centre diff can't be locked with the suspension at the highest (Special Off Road) setting ��- a bit of a surprise to discover and something to keep in mind as I'd guess max clearance may well be needed when you'd also need max traction? All the same, I'm very impressed (as we're my Ford Ranger driving friends)
I didn't think the Torsen, 4Motion system could be locked?
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