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Timing Belt Service - 2004 V8 Touareg

My wife's Touareg is rolling up on 80k miles and I'm starting to think about the dreaded timing belt/water pump service. I have looked over all the threads I could find related to this issue, but there is little information for a DIY job. Does anyone have any experience with this service? I have priced the work at the local VW dealership ($1495+tax) and a reputable independent shop (1409.80+tax). Is it worth the money to just pay someone else or is it not as difficult as it sounds. I am a good "amateur" mechanic but my time is lacking these days. THANKS!

Mostly what I'm worried about is keeping the cams in "time" when swapping out the belts...

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The problem is that you need special tools to do the jobs.
tools almost nobody has. However you can rent them at Blauvergnugen parts.
Where do you live?
My (VW) mechanic will do it a lot more reasonable $40 an hour and you can buy your own parts
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I'm in east TN. I saw the tool kit that they rent. I own most of them but was planning on renting the kit if I were to do it myself. Have you completed this service?

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We have the same, an 04' V8 and we need the belt changed too. Does anyone know of a good VW Touareg mechanic in Maui????
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I'm in east TN. I saw the tool kit that they rent. I own most of them but was planning on renting the kit if I were to do it myself. Have you completed this service?
Yes I have I currently have 116k on the odometer.
Did this at 70k when the waterpump failed.
So I am due at 150k again.
Last time it was the dealer doing it but not the next time.

If you are in east tennessee you might want to take a vacation to branson or so since you will be saving about a $1000 that way
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My water pump failed first at 57k miles. I was fortunate to catch it on a service inspection -- removed the plastic timing covers and the pulley bearing could be wobbled by hand.

I didn't dare run the engine again for fear it would take the timing belt and valves with it. I do timing belts, but when I checked the price of the tools needed, decided to tow it to an independant VW/Audi specialist.

He confirmed that it was prudent to not risk starting it and did the timing belt/water pump for $1300. He lost money on the deal as the Touareg tools cost him $600. He figured of course, that the tools would be useful in the future but I've never seen another Touareg on his lot and he won't sell them.

If you can rent the tools (one of which locks the cam sprockets) and have the service manual it's not technically much different from any other timing belt.

You do have to place the lock carrier in the service position and this requires additional tools although some guys have made lock carrier sliders out of hardware store parts.

(As noted below, the water pump tends to fail first and should be checked often. ANY bearing play means immediate replacement!)
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I have been looking into this myself. I need the 80k service done in another 15,000 miles. My local VW dealer quoted me $850 for the entire service with the timing belt and $1200 if I also want the tensioners and the water pump done.

I thought this was a good price compared the the prices i have seen on here??

I am assuming it is a good idea the get everything done at once.
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I have been looking into this myself. I need the 80k service done in another 15,000 miles. My local VW dealer quoted me $850 for the entire service with the timing belt and $1200 if I also want the tensioners and the water pump done.

I thought this was a good price compared the the prices i have seen on here??

I am assuming it is a good idea the get everything done at once.
I would do the tensioners and waterpump, especially the waterpump.
have them do the serpentine belt too.
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I got some interesting information last week. In an effort to not have a long write up I'll paraphrase.

My father-in-law is the president of a VW supplier here in the states. Last week he met with the CEO of VWOA and many of VW's top engineers. While talking they asked him if he had any personal experience with VW and their quality. He told two stories, one about how my wife's jetta did a great job protecting her in a bad wreck and how happy he was about that (they too were happy). The other was about how he feels the quality of the Touareg we own is lacking (we've had a couple issues) in certain areas. They then started talking about timing belts and he(father-in-law) asked why they didn't use a chain on the 4.2L (something he and I have talked about many times). The engineers there told him the main reason for belt instead of chain is quiet operation and that they had lost the chain battle with the NVH guys (noise, vibration, harshness). He was also told that the 80k mile timing belt service is based on if the vehicle is driven hard (balls to the wall) over that 80k mile period. He said that if the vehicle is driven easily (normal) then the belt should last "forever".

By telling this story I am not saying that it is not important to change the timing belt, water pump, etc. The only thing I'm saying is that if you are pretty easy on your Treg and know the vehicles use for the entire life (didn't buy it with 60k and drive it easy from that point on) then I wouldn't worry too much about changing the belt right at 80,000.

737 Jock made a good observation that you should take off the inspection covers and do some "inspecting". See what condition the pulleys and belt are in and if there are any major issues/signs of failure. I checked mine this weekend and everything looked good...so far.

I still plan on changing the belt, wp, pulleys, but I am going to try and work out a deal with a service shop where I buy the parts and they provide the labor. I looked at it pretty hard this weekend and although it doesn't look too tough I don't really want to use that much of my time with a new baby due any day.

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737 Jock made a good observation that you should take off the inspection covers and do some "inspecting". See what condition the pulleys and belt are in and if there are any major issues/signs of failure. I checked mine this weekend and everything looked good...so far.
A pictured filled DIY on this inspection procedure would be fantastic. hint hint

And I personally would rather spend $600 on tools and do it myself than $1200+ for someone else to do it. I could then rent the tools out and get a little money back on them.
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