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New Tyres - Michelin Latitude Cross

Decided to try a Michelin all-terrain tyre. I wanted the same size as my Pirelli Scorpions which have worked very well.... 265/60 R18, however Australia only has the 255/55 R18. So after a negative asking the local tyre dealer and Michelin Australia if they could get the 265/60 R18 Latitude Cross for me, I decided to look at other options. And as much as I would prefer to support local business, I purchased 5 x Michelin Latitude Cross 265/60 R18 from the UK, couriered by FedEx economy and with strip/fit/balance costs added, I came up $155 better off (or the identical price fitted and balanced if I had bought the smaller 255/55 R18 tyres here). Quite amazing.

Pirelli Scorpion ATR versus Michelin Latitude Cross
* very noticeable handling difference in how better this tyre turns (caught me by surprise how much sharper/easier it turned on a tight corner I regularly drive)
* comfort is probably a little better, but marginal
* noise is just audible, whereas the Pirellis were quiet (the noise is not obtrusive, but on most road surfaces just audible - concrete highway seems quieter?)
* yet to test wet weather and offroad - will give an update soon.

The Michelins are supposedly very good in the wet. My Pirellis were good until recently, now with the tread depth half worn.

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Wonder if you're noticing the improvement in turning because your comparing s new tire to your old tire. New to new comparison may be different. I say that because I felt my new tires were amazing but after a few hundred miles the feel "normal".

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That is very likely as the Pirellis have certainly lost some grip as they have worn down. Also, the Michelin is around 10-15mm (1/2in) wider on tread width touching the bitumen (same size tyre, but more contact area on the road).
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It seems a few manufacturers do the same thing,start off with softer rubber and lots of sipes but change to a harder compound half way down and the sips all worn off so no squeegee action left. Bridgestone Dueller were (are still?) absolute mongrels for it and would become serious fun (or life threatening in some situations) in the wet once down to half. Yokohamas much the same. Michelin not so much, they seem consistent down to the wear bars. John
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It seems a few manufacturers do the same thing,start off with softer rubber and lots of sipes but change to a harder compound half way down and the sips all worn off so no squeegee action left. Bridgestone Dueller were (are still?) absolute mongrels for it and would become serious fun (or life threatening in some situations) in the wet once down to half. Yokohamas much the same. Michelin not so much, they seem consistent down to the wear bars. John
John, I didn't know of that. I thought the loss of grip may be a combination of loss of sipes and maybe ageing of the rubber (actual road wear can age the rubber, thus reducing grip). Tread depth wasn't the problem as the tyres still have 5-6mm remaining and the traction loss happens on a wet road with no standing water (so it's not aquaplaning). Cheers Paul.
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Do you mean the window glass tinting? I had the windows tinted by a third party when I collected the vehicle new. Cheers Paul.
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John, I didn't know of that. I thought the loss of grip may be a combination of loss of sipes and maybe ageing of the rubber (actual road wear can age the rubber, thus reducing grip). Tread depth wasn't the problem as the tyres still have 5-6mm remaining and the traction loss happens on a wet road with no standing water (so it's not aquaplaning). Cheers Paul.
Hi Paul, generally if you look closely at the tread rubber you will notice a distinct change in texture and feel. At about that time is when they become super slips on damp roads, not necessarily water covered. It is usually about half way down so if new tread depth was 10mm, it will become exciting at about 5mm give or take. Just my observations over many years and lots of different tyres.John
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It seems a few manufacturers do the same thing,start off with softer rubber and lots of sipes but change to a harder compound half way down and the sips all worn off so no squeegee action left. John
This makes some sense. I recently replaced 2 Pirelli Verde half worn tyres (about 5mm tread left) because there was what looked like "pealing" of the rubber. The manufacturing must have been faulty at the change in rubber type interface. Pirelli paid for half the cost of the tyres plus the fitting, balancing and wheel alignment.

Interesting point, the Pirelli rep said that the tyres have a circumferential conductive strip approx. at centre of tread width which he said it was to dissipate static similar to the strip of rubber that dad had attached to the back bumper of his old FJ. You can't see this strip (about 5mm wide) on a new tyre but if you look closely on one that's done a few Kms you can see a difference in colour/texture.
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How are the Michelins going Paul, any offroad experience, especially in the mud?
My contis are on last legs so looking at replacing and Michelins are high on the list

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