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Here I sit on my annual caravan holiday at the Yamba Family Holiday Accommodation, Resort, Camping, Caravan Park | Yamba NSW | Blue Dolphin Holiday Resort and after bit of a bicycle ride around and a rough estimate of over 300 vans I did not find one Touareg tow vehicle in the park. All your meat and veggie Prado's, Patrol's, Landcruiser's and the multitude of the now ever popular 4wd utes from Mazda, Ford, Nissan, Toyota etc. Oh I mean drive like truck utes. Are there that many general Aussies in our country that don't get how good of a tow rig the Touareg is ?


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Here I sit on my annual caravan holiday at the Yamba Family Holiday Accommodation, Resort, Camping, Caravan Park | Yamba NSW | Blue Dolphin Holiday Resort and after bit of a bicycle ride around and a rough estimate of over 300 vans I did not find one Touareg tow vehicle in the park. All your meat and veggie Prado's, Patrol's, Landcruiser's and the multitude of the now ever popular 4wd utes from Mazda, Ford, Nissan, Toyota etc. Oh I mean drive like truck utes. Are there that many general Aussies in our country that don't get how good of a tow rig the Touareg is ?


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At least here in the US, many can't swing the $45,000 starting price for the Touareg so there are not many on the roads.
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I don't think price has as much to do with it as the fact that the Treg is a little know wolf in sheep's clothes. In regards to price I think the Treg isn't as expensive as it seems when you look at other tow vehicles...especially diesel.

Here in the US the Treg is also seldom seen as a TV at campgrounds. I get a lot of heads turning when I pull in and a lot of questions...sometimes big groups of people even. Most have never even read or have seen a Treg (their claim), let alone seen one towing a big trailer.
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Dieselgate is hurting. Hurting right across the VW range here in Australia.

The perceived shorter wheelbase of the Touareg tends to make buyers shy away, also, the old wives tale "If they're not popular, you're going to be stranded somewhere with no chance of repairs"

However, let them have a test ride/drive, those arguments do wash away rather quickly.

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A quick check shows that the Treg is not the shortest wheelbase. Most are within 100mm range.
Had a mate who upgraded his Pajero and found with the new that he could not attach his caravan as there was not enough clearance between the towball and the spare wheel for the caravan hitch.

Blue Dolphin Caravan Park is a great location. But in the last two visits to Yamba with our Hartley TS18 in tow, we have shared, with other sailing couples, a house on a canal with a pontoon.

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chart below I put together when looking for a vehicle to tow the boat.
I had never even been in a touareg when I took the R50 for a test drive, I decided about 20s after I planted the go pedal that I was buying that car


cant count the number of times I've been asked at servo's, boat ramps etc whether pulling the boat was legal.
I'm pretty sure they think I'm lying when I tell them the treg weighs close to 3.2t (loaded) and has a V10 hidden under the bonnet.


Touaregs looks small. I park at work occasionally next to a couple of Prado's, and they look physically bigger.


compare the specs of the V8 landcruiser and the Touaregs and guess why I bought the R50.


To answer your question Drag, I think most people think that tregs are expensive city suv's, and have no idea what they are capable of.
I took a mate for a spin in the R50, both him and his son now both own 180kw tregs and farm utes are being changed over to amaroks. prior to this they were all holden cars /Japanese utes.










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sorry guys, that didn't work, the xcel matrix was fine until I posted it.
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A quick check shows that the Treg is not the shortest wheelbase. Most are within 100mm range.
I'm trying to understand why wheelbase is important from a physics standpoint. Isn't the figure that's important the ratio of wheelbase to distance from rear wheels to the tow ball?

Imagine the rear wheels as the fulcrum (pivot point of a see-saw). The distance from the rear wheels to the front wheels (wheelbase) is the leverage the front wheels have to steer the vehicle (pivot the vehicle around the rear wheels). The distance from the rear wheels to the tow ball is the leverage the trailer has to steer the vehicle (again, pivot the vehicle around the rear wheels).

The bigger this ratio, the more mechanical advantage the front (steering) wheels have to turn the vehicle against the trailer. The smaller this ratio, the more mechanical advantage the trailer has to turn the vehicle against the steering wheels.

The Touareg has a 3:1 ratio. I ran the numbers for a few pickup trucks and they also had a 3:1 ratio.
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I'm trying to understand why wheelbase is important from a physics standpoint. Isn't the figure that's important the ratio of wheelbase to distance from rear wheels to the tow ball?

Imagine the rear wheels as the fulcrum (pivot point of a see-saw). The distance from the rear wheels to the front wheels (wheelbase) is the leverage the front wheels have to steer the vehicle (pivot the vehicle around the rear wheels). The distance from the rear wheels to the tow ball is the leverage the trailer has to steer the vehicle (again, pivot the vehicle around the rear wheels).

The bigger this ratio, the more mechanical advantage the front (steering) wheels have to turn the vehicle against the trailer. The smaller this ratio, the more mechanical advantage the trailer has to turn the vehicle against the steering wheels.

The Touareg has a 3:1 ratio. I ran the numbers for a few pickup trucks and they also had a 3:1 ratio.
Depends what you're trying to assess - cabin space and ride quality benefit from longer wheelbase, and towing is improved by less pitching - but longer wheelbase reduces manoeuvrability.

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