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post #31 of 319 Old 07-25-2016
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How about Volvo XC90? I (and 93% of viewers) like it. Первое знакомство с новым Volvo XC90. Brand New (If only I could speed up the accrual of my funds )
Good question. I'd say it's worth a look.
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Anyone looked at a new CX-9?
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Anyone looked at a new CX-9?
Yes. Beautiful car with a shockingly nice interior (Signature trim). It has a few shortcomings. Specifically,

Terrible footprint to interior volume ratio
Overly aggressive automatic braking
No ventilated seat option
Mediocre infotainment that's lacking Apple Carplay/Android Auto
Front passenger seat not fully adjustable
No pano roof option (doesn't bother me, but it should be offered)


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How about Volvo XC90? I (and 93% of viewers) like it. Первое знакомство с новым Volvo XC90. Brand New (If only I could speed up the accrual of my funds )
I like the XC90's interior and exterior. I found the engine to move the vehicle sufficiently, but it lacks personality. It also doesn't return very good fuel economy, which makes me wish they had just updated the smooth turbo inline six. I could live with the engine, but I don't think I can live with the lack of redundant controls. I'm baffled that a safety-oriented company like Volvo requires you to use the touchscreen for so many basic functions. Hey Volvo ... BUTTONS, SWITCHES AND KNOBS ARE GOOD!!! Unlike the Mazda, the Volvo manages nice exterior proportions without such a huge compromise in interior space.

The Q7 3.0T meets my needs better than both, but I think I'm done with VAG. I don't like the ZF 9-speed, so the MDX is probably out for me, too -- at least until the new 10-speed comes online.

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The main replacement I think I would consider is a Range Rover Sport Td6 with the Extra Duty package. I still take my vehicles off-road and I love how diesels drive. I think that would come the closest to the Treg in terms of driving dynamics and would have as much off-road capability as my T2.

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Absent that, I would consider a Jaguar F-Pace or an XC90. Probably an F-Pace - I don't trust the 4-cyl only strategy that Volvo is pursuing, and while the interior of the XC90 is absolutely awesome, I'm already seeing them everywhere, whereas the Jaaaaag is far less common.

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The main replacement I think I would consider is a Range Rover Sport Td6 with the Extra Duty package. I still take my vehicles off-road and I love how diesels drive. I think that would come the closest to the Treg in terms of driving dynamics and would have as much off-road capability as my T2.

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That is almost $30K more than I paid for my TDI Sport with Navigation
It does look comparable, but I could never spend that much on a vehicle, even assuming you could take $5K off of that.

Others that have been mentioned like the Acura MDX, Volvo XC90, Mazda CX-9 aren't even close on towing capacity. MDX: 5,000, CX-9: 3,500, XC90: 5,000. I looked at the MDX and the vehicle generates about 200 hp at 4,100 rpm even though it tops out at over 300 hp. Based on the hp curve it's fairly equivalent to a Toyota 4Runner up to that point.
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That is almost $30K more than I paid for my TDI Sport with Navigation
It does look comparable, but I could never spend that much on a vehicle, even assuming you could take $5K off of that.

Others that have been mentioned like the Acura MDX, Volvo XC90, Mazda CX-9 aren't even close on towing capacity. MDX: 5,000, CX-9: 3,500, XC90: 5,000. I looked at the MDX and the vehicle generates about 200 hp at 4,100 rpm even though it tops out at over 300 hp. Based on the hp curve it's fairly equivalent to a Toyota 4Runner up to that point.
There is very little on the market that provides the all-around capability and driving dynamics with the level of luxury that the Touareg provides at the same price point. My VW dealer is also a Mazda dealer, and I have absolutely no interest in a Mazda CX -- the engines are boring, the interiors are bland and cheap-feeling - suitable for a suburban soccer mom on a budget, perhaps. An MDX is an overpriced, badge-engineered CRV. The 4Runner is a capable body-on-frame SUV but the engine choices and option packaging from Toyota are befuddlingly bass-ackwards and the fuel economy and on-road performance are terrible - that's a vehicle that needs the diesel of its overseas Hilux cousin for sure. And it's pug-f'ugly.

The Touareg was always an upmarket SUV, but had much broader market coverage. If the T3 TDI was on the market today, it would be over $60K loaded after tax. The level of luxury in a RR Sport is the same as a much higher-priced competitors from Porsche or Lexus, or even Toyota Land Cruiser - which *starts* at $83K, and the RR is far more capable off-road than any of them. The Jag has awesome style and tech for less than a comparable Q5, with better on-road performance. It does offer a selectable drive mode that would make soft-roading possible, but it's not really a true off-roader like the T2 or the RR.

Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit diesel comparatively equipped is around $60K, but I don't think I'd buy an FCA product right now.
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I'm hoping that the 2017 LR Discovery is offered with the diesel option that the Range Rover has. Rumor has it that they will be built on the same assembly line. If it does have the diesel then that is likely the best alternative. The current LR4 nicely optioned is around $60k so it's comparable in price.

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I'm hoping that the 2017 LR Discovery is offered with the diesel option that the Range Rover has. Rumor has it that they will be built on the same assembly line. If it does have the diesel then that is likely the best alternative. The current LR4 nicely optioned is around $60k so it's comparable in price.
Hm...interesting if it is offered with the 3.0L diesel...but it's like driving a barn. At least the last couple generations have been.
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New CX-9 is decnt for the $ I would take a x5 used or Cayenne used gasser myself versus other mentioned models if Diesel was not in the mix
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I'm loving my new f150. Shockingly good levels of ride quality and refinement. The doors close like a German vehicles do, the window motors are absolutely silent and ride quality is unreal. If you are a detail oriented person, then you owe yourself some time in a top trim f150. There are numerous details that would impress most treg owners...rear locking differential is available with the fx4 package, has both electronic lock and manual lock. All aluminum body keeps things a bit exotic.

I still prefer an SUV as a daily driver (a sedan makes no sense at all to me) so if VW doesn't offer up diesels I sure hope they will send us a nice "oops" check so I can get into a RRS td6. I had a q7 tdi on a deposit, but there is no end in sight so I just got my money back.

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