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Maybe not. But who does? What is the target market? Because there is no denying that the T3 has been met with a collective yawn from the general buying public, too. Porsche sells nearly four times as many Cayennes. That's incomprehensible to me.



It's a great vehicle, but at the end of the day it's still a Volkswagen. A $50,000+ VW! It has a basic warranty, and dealers aren't even required to offer loaner vehicles. I appreciate the lack of pretension myself, but for that kind of money, you know some owners expect more.

This, to me, would be the sole reason not to bring the next-gen Touareg here. For those who don't get it when it comes to the Touareg, discussion of getting into one is a non-starter due to the badge and price.

The brand does not have the cache to match the pricing for most buyers.
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Maybe not. But who does? What is the target market? Because there is no denying that the T3 has been met with a collective yawn from the general buying public, too. Porsche sells nearly four times as many Cayennes. That's incomprehensible to me.
Did Porsche sell four times as many Cayenne Diesels as VW sold Touareg TDIs (during the same time period)?

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Did Porsche sell four times as many Cayenne Diesels as VW sold Touareg TDIs (during the same time period)?
Good question. I would expect Porsche to sell a lower percentage of TDI's. I used to reference an article by Car and Driver that showed diesel sales stats by model. Both the Touareg and Q7 were around 50%, but I cannot recall what Porsche's numbers were. I have tried to find the article, but neither Google or Car and Driver's search tool are returning any relevant hits. I'd be interested in seeing the numbers myself if anybody can find them.

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Good question. I would expect Porsche to sell a lower percentage of TDI's. I used to reference an article by Car and Driver that showed diesel sales stats by model. Both the Touareg and Q7 were around 50%, but I cannot recall what Porsche's numbers were. I have tried to find the article, but neither Google or Car and Driver's search tool are returning any relevant hits. I'd be interested in seeing the numbers myself if anybody can find them.
Living in the 4th largest city in the U.S., I see a lot more Porsche Cayennes driving around than I see VW Touaregs. However, almost none of the Cayennes are diesels (easy to spot by the "diesel" script on the front fender), while a lot/most of the Touaregs have a TDI emblem on the back (50% would not surprise me).

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Porsche has 13,000 Cayennes involved in the emissions complaint. They sell about 16,000 units per year, and sold the diesel from 2013 - 2015. The only year where they broke out the percentage of diesels was in 2013 when they reported 29% of Cayennes sold were diesels.
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Cachet sells a lot more than capability, for example, Nobody drops 10k on a watch because its got capability. The appeal of the Touareg was Range Rover capability (arguably) without the cost of cachet. For around 600,000 or so new buyers around the world, and all reasearch points to none of that volume cannabilizing sales from Q7 or Cayenne.

If one wants capability and cachet you can get a Porsche Cayenne. The fact that they sell so many more Cayennes than touaregs indicates how superficial the world is or, how much cachet is valued.
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Cachet sells a lot more than capability, for example, Nobody drops 10k on a watch because its got capability. The appeal of the Touareg was Range Rover capability (arguably) without the cost of cachet. For around 600,000 or so new buyers around the world, and all reasearch points to none of that volume cannabilizing sales from Q7 or Cayenne.

If one wants capability and cachet you can get a Porsche Cayenne. The fact that they sell so many more Cayennes than touaregs indicates how superficial the world is or, how much cachet is valued.
Yep, a lot of Cayennes were bought as a second P-Car for the family...

When it was introduced, my hand wss in the air saying it looked like Hyundai Santa Fe, it would wreck the brand, and they really needed another product it should be a sports sedan or allroad type avant...

Man was I wrong...about the wrecking the brand thing. Financially, it saved Porsche and those renenues were levered to almost buy VW.

My T2 purchase was, in part, a value play display to all the Cayennes I see on the road. Especially when our TDIs were not available in a Porsche.
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Did anybody try Toyota 4Runner Limited since it is available with AWD good for New England winters I think. Land Rover Discovery5 looks good but those 20 inch wheels with "rubber bands" keeps me off since I need some tire. Jeep Grand Cherokee Trail Hawk would be ok but still no diesel available. Some people say Jeep brakes a lot but so I heard about Touareg before I bought it. Is it really that bad or you can enjoy it? JGC center console made of "aluminium" looking plastic also looks off to me. Gues have to fix addblue issue in my Touareg and keep looking for something I can drive and enjoy.

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Did anybody try Toyota 4Runner Limited since it is available with AWD good for New England winters I think. Land Rover Discovery5 looks good but those 20 inch wheels with "rubber bands" keeps me off since I need some tire. Jeep Grand Cherokee Trail Hawk would be ok but still no diesel available. Some people say Jeep brakes a lot but so I heard about Touareg before I bought it. Is it really that bad or you can enjoy it? JGC center console made of "aluminium" looking plastic also looks off to me. Gues have to fix addblue issue in my Touareg and keep looking for something I can drive and enjoy.
I have three female co-workers that all have a 2014+ Cherokee's and they all have been in the shop multiple times for different things. They call them warning lights, CEL's, overheating issues, transmission problems. I never want to tell them that the vehicle that they feel is so capable when it is running, is considered one of the top 10 most unreliable vehicles on the road.

Funny as they plan on keeping them for a long time.
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