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If you get the Macan GTS, the LEDs are $500.


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One thing to consider is the maintainability.

With HIDs you just change the bulbs once the current ones start to dim by age.

For LEDs, you can either change some separate module containing the LED components if one of them gets broken (good design) or then you might even need to change the whole headlight assembly (bad design regarding maintainability).

I read from a local automotive magazine that the new Tiguan has interchangeable LED modules. Not sure about the Porsche, though.

Just my 0.02$ and something probably worth considering.
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True, but that's a $1400 savings if you bump up to the $79k model!
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2017 Audi Q7 starting with Premium Plus (mid-level) configuration has so called Vision option which includes LED-only lights.
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2017 Audi Q7 starting with Premium Plus (mid-level) configuration has so called Vision option which includes LED-only lights.
At the VW presentation today in Detroit, it sounded like the new Atlas and the new Tiguan were going to come standard with LED headlights.

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One thing to consider is the maintainability.

With HIDs you just change the bulbs once the current ones start to dim by age.

For LEDs, you can either change some separate module containing the LED components if one of them gets broken (good design) or then you might even need to change the whole headlight assembly (bad design regarding maintainability).

I read from a local automotive magazine that the new Tiguan has interchangeable LED modules. Not sure about the Porsche, though.

Just my 0.02$ and something probably worth considering.
I had to get one of these LED modules changed on my f150 ( which also has led headlamps), though it was a warranty item the cost of a new module is $250. From what i recall this was the cost of a xenon bulb back in 2000 or so when xenons started to become available...so its comparable. The led modules however are expected to last a couple of decades vs a few years for xenon bulbs.

The LED setups typically have dynamic light shaping and auto beam brightness, so they do have advantages over xenon.

Big seller for me is that led for me personally seem to light up wet roads at night very well, i sometimes struggle with xenons. Again this is just me so ymmv.

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So, in "building" a Porsche Macan as a possible replacement for my Touareg TDI (once the settlement is resolved) I see that one of the choices to make is the standard HID headlights vs. the full-LED headlights option (for a whopping $1,900!). Now I've been more than satisfied with the HID headlights in my Touareg (certainly a big improvement over halogen headlights), but are LED headlights really that big of improvement over HID to justify the cost? I suppose LED headlights would have a longer life, but I could buy a lot of HID bulbs for $1,900.
Only thing I can really see here is less drain on the system. HID use 35W per side. LED's maybe couple watts each plus no heat or little heat (still need to be cooled as they do emit some heat at the base). HID's last around 2,000hrs before they start to fade and change color, LED's up to 14,000hrs. Compact size also. Typically a warmer light than HID, depends on manufac. though. Osram standard is 4200 K and Philips can be 4800K+ Osram is know for more yellow hue and Philips more blue for example. But LED's can be tuned to be just as bright as HID but with a lower Kelvin temp. Cool stuff
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Do you get upgraded insulation, (insulation that is not soy based) on the wiring in the headlight assemblies with LED lights?

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We got the LEDs with our GLC, it's quite a bit brighter than my '15. Although I have 34,000 miles on my HIDs and may be due for replacements. I don't think I would pay $2k alone for the upgrade, for that money it needs to be bundled with some other options. Bundle and Porsche dont belong in the same conversation, lol.
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Only thing I can really see here is less drain on the system. HID use 35W per side. LED's maybe couple watts each plus no heat or little heat (still need to be cooled as they do emit some heat at the base).
LEDs convert only about 15% of the electricity they receive into light. The rest is converted into heat.

This is quite a bit better than xenon bulbs, which only convert about 5% of the electricity into light. Or incandescents which are down around 2%-3%. Fluorescent bulbs are up around 12%-15%, but LED has the advantage of not having a bulb - they're a solid chunk of material. (For completeness, a candle converts about 0.04% of the energy in the wax into light. So that Earth Day tradition of turning off the electric lights and using candles actually burns several times more energy than just using the electric lights, while only providing about 1/100th the light.)

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Typically a warmer light than HID, depends on manufac. though. Osram standard is 4200 K and Philips can be 4800K+ Osram is know for more yellow hue and Philips more blue for example. But LED's can be tuned to be just as bright as HID but with a lower Kelvin temp. Cool stuff
All LEDs (and fluorescent bulbs) are far blue/ultraviolet. They make different colors by using phosphors which absorb the UV light and emit a different color light. Quite a few different phosphors have been developed, the combination of which can give you pretty much every color temperature of light you could want. The better ones also have a high CRI (color rendering index). Basically instead of putting out a few frequency spikes of light (just enough to trigger the red, green, and blue cone sensors in your eye), they try to put out a broad swath of frequencies which better imitate sunlight or incandescent light.
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