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post #11 of 55 Old 11-08-2011
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The timing belt is a service item at 80K miles or 5 years.

You ignore it at your bank balance's peril. A new engine is $8K+
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Just to make you aware the air suspension system is not a simple "pump air in to make it go up, and release from pressure valves to make it go down"...there are level sensors at various point in the vehicle as well as an ECU that controls the suspension, it changes ride height and damping characteristics depending on the road and driving behavior (its linked into the yaw and acceleration sensors that the stability system also uses).

Without proper diagnostic tools I'm not sure how you'll ever figure out what's wrong.

The LOCK functionality ends up limiting the range of motion, it doesn't literally lock the shocks into a single spot. You'll notice when you use the LOCK, the vehicles suspension still extends as you jack it up.

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So basicly your telling me these touaregs are a worse decision to buy than a boat. I work in the marine industry on engines/fiberglass/electrical, ect.. So I have a real good idea on people throwing away money. To buy a 2004 touareg & keep it for say 6years will cause you to spend tons of cash every year on air suspension, because vw is not fixing the issues, they are just saying replace/replace/replace. How much money is someone going to get reselling a 13 year old touareg. It sounds like you would be better off parting it out. I do not like the idea of looking after this vw like a child. The corrosion issues on the air suspenion (brass to aluminum) sounds like you are replacing parts faster than anything i've seen sitting in salt water. There are a ton of brass parts on a boat engine & we don't experience these issues the same as i read on here. I like touareg, but if it is making scared to drive it, & making me scared to let it sit because it will cost money. What is the point. I'm going to do some reseach on different metals & the effects. If I have to put a zinc or something on a touareg so be it. Once these touaregs get so old you either have the people with money don't want them because there old, or the people without money can't effort to support the vw habit. I am conflicted on what to do with timing belt also. If I trust my judgement to let someone go out in there boat with there family after servicing it, why would it be any different on a touareg in which your not going to get stuck in the water in the middle of nowhere. Sad vw is not trying to help customers out.Greed is not a good motivator when your selling parts.

Thank you noobytoogy for the reply. My reply is not towards you, I am just venting after adding up part prices.
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I ordered from ross-tech last night. You are right nickm. You can only go so far without the proper tool.
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I can sympathize with your pain and frustration. As a boat owner, I know exactly what you are talking about.

The issue with your Touareg is either sensor, air supply, or shock related. It's not locked if the front goes up and down and the rear doesn't. Being that it's both of the rears, I'm going to go with "it's something simpler" - as it's effecting both sides. It could be one of the sensors, something could have happened to the air supply lines to the rear (they run under the body), etc. As many have mentioned, having the right tools is absolutely critical. My VAG-COM (nee - VCDS) has paid for itself many times over. Poop happens.

Listen - you'd never work on an outboard if you didn't have the proper diagnostic cable. Cars are the same way - only better since all of the systems are linked together. You've made the right choice if you aren't afraid to do your own work. You will find there is a wealth of knowledge and experience here once you start diagnosing the issue. And no, parts aren't cheap - but remember the sticker price on your Touareg (new) was north of $50k (USD - I see you are in Canada). Parts on a $50k GM/Ford/Chrysler aren't cheap either.....

It's rewarding though - towing with an air suspension = total awesomeness! Good luck and remember we are here to help each other!

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@javakm04 - It's okay, most of us understand your frustration so no offence taken.

For years VW has been regarded - and rightly so - as a reliable, trustworthy, long lived brand.

Unfortunately, the accountants have got the whip hand in most car companies these days - VW included - and the generally accepted life span of a new car is now regarded by their makers as just 7 years.

It is not so regarded by us consumers, I might add, who think that, given modern manufacturing techniques and materials, cars should last a helluva lot longer!

Unfortunately, the guys and girls who designed the Touareg were not then locked in a room with a few basic tools and their VAGcom and asked to carry out some relatively elementary servicing and repairs without once swearing, or skinning their knuckles, or requiring specialist frames to drop the engine to replace something as basic as an alternator.

In my little dream world, if they couldn't do such tasks simply withinin an allotted time span, they would then be taken outside and shot to encourage the next lot to do better!

Being told to take your car to a dealer to change a headlight bulb - as per the Touareg's manual's instructions - is a classic no-no. A duff headlight at 6 pm on the Friday evening of a dark, wet, winter weekend is a safety issue that should be capable of being fixed in five minutes by anyone who can find out how to open the car's hood /bonnet!

So these very expensive cars have now arrived in a price band where they are readily affordable by people who mistakenly think that because it's a VW, it will be trouble free.

And a great many are just that -trouble free. But, in my opinion, too many are not. With known problems like the centre drive / prop shaft bearing, gearbox valve chests, electrical gremlins and so on, VW could be doing a lot more to rescue their reputation on forums such as these. Instead they deny such blatantly obvious issues exist!

It is the nature of these forums that there is high preponderance of "Help, please help!" threads, often started by someone for whom it is their first post as they've suddenly run into the brick wall that is, in more cases than is acceptable, incompetent dealers, intransigent VWoA [and VW elsewhere], and a nigh-on complete lack of independents who know the Touareg as opposed to the many excellent indies who know the smaller VAG cars backwards and can fix your Golf in a jiffy!

I expect to run my cars for longer than most [one of my cars is 85 this year and others are over 40!] but the moment my warranty company calls it a day on the Touareg, it will go.

Will I replace it with another? Perhaps.

But I can go to a number of excellent independents with my Land Rovers who can also source most parts, even a new chassis for a 1952 model if need be - from equally excellent third party suppliers, and this comment includes the very latest models too, not just the golden oldies.

Unfortunately the Touareg hasn't been around long enough, nor built in large enough numbers for a thriving engineering community to serve and service the older cars now coming into third and fourth owners hands. And since I don't see that changing, I think the rhetorical question I posed above "Will I buy another Touareg?" is probably, and with the greatest regret, no.

But then again . . . head/heart . . . heart/head . . .
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So I got my ross-tech vagcom the very next day after buying it. That was fast. I had a lot of different codes come up, so I had to save codes & erase the codes on the touareg. I had these codes come back up after driving it once;

Address 34: Level Control Labels: None
Part No: 7L0 907 553 F
Component: LUFTFDR.-CDC- 3C3P1 3081
Coding: 0015521
Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
VCID: 3669016A38DC
1 Fault Found:
01400 - Suspension Level Control
001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No: 7L6 937 049 K
Component: 2703
Coding: 0105695
Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
VCID: 448D6BA27E00
1 Fault Found:
00907 - Intervention load Management
000 - -


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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09D-927-750.lbl
Part No: 09D 927 750 BG
Component: AL 600 6Q 0579
Coding: 0004153
Shop #: WSC 93030 999 53474
VCID: 74EDFB626E20
1 Fault Found:
01045 - Tiptronic Switch (F189)
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent - MIL ON

Any guesses before I start working on it. The 01400 could be the cause, but I don't see how a bad air-compressor could cause the rear shocks not to lower.
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If your battery is good, ignore the one at address 09, this one will always come up when you're playing around with your VCDS, its just the vehicle shutting down accessories to save battery power.

As for your 01400 fault code, here is what it means: 01400 - Ross-Tech Wiki

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Battery is new last week. Anyone know the location of the

01045 - Tiptronic Switch (F189)
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Battery is new last week. Anyone know the location of the

01045 - Tiptronic Switch (F189)
It's on the circuit board for the gear selector, right under the cover plate bellow the shifter.
Check for fallen objects there as small coins like to slide in there a cause havoc.
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