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post #61 of 246 Old 01-18-2015
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Is it common that rotors on these vehicles have been mounted in a position other than 6 o'clock? Does this matter on other vehicles? Tire tech 101?
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I don't see how the rotor can be misaligned? Since the rotor uses a set screw to hold the rotor to the hub; unless they cut that out for the t3's?

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That's very short sighted...tire pressures of a vehicle this heavy (especially if you ride on wheels bigger than "17s) is critical.

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About 3 weeks ago I finally decided to install my brand new winter tires which I picked up from the Tire Rack in November of 2013. I bought four Good Year Ultra Grip snows (RFT) but since the winter wasn't that cold/snowy in Cali I kept using Latitudes. This year I finally took those Good Years to the tire shop (which uses Hunter road force machine) with specific instructions on how to torque the wheels. Later in the day I got a call from the shop manager stating that one tires is out of round and can’t be properly balanced. I decided to try them anyway, at least for a few days to see if I can live with them. Unfortunately after another balancing session shakes were still there, at that point I decided to replace them.

Long story short since these tires were over a year old and out of production and could no longer be exchanged for the same model, the Tire Rack stepped in and refunded me a full purchase price (less shipping) for all 4 tires (props to Tire Rack!). I then bought a new set of Pirelli Scorpion Ice and Snow (non RFT) and took them back to the same shop. After the first balancing session shakes were still present which was a major bummer. Luckily our man JEC_PA came to the rescue with the TSB 481501. Back to the tire shop I wend, this time armed with a printed copy of the TSB, (by this time most of the guys and the owner memorized my desired PSIs and torque values, lol) . I gave them the print out and instructed them to follow it to the tee or “I’ll be back” (terminator voice). The shop manager even called his buddy at VW to confirm everything. They followed the exact directions and voila! My Touareg is shake free once again, glass smooth at any speed! I think the key is to follow this TSB to the tee without cutting ANY corners, yes our cars are that picky.

Here is what worked for me:

1- Road force balance
2- Brake disc bolt at 6 o’clock (see TSB)
3- Hand torque to 133lb (see TSB)
4- 38 front/41 rear PSI

Good Luck to everybody dealing with the issue and hopefully this TSB is the answer we’ve been looking for.

Thank you JEC_PA for stepping forward with the TSB!
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All I did was get lucky and have my nephew looking out for me. I'm happy to assist fellow forum members any way possible.

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Nicely done JEC...sounds like the long toothed problem might finally be solved.

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Just came back from a 6 hour round trip. Unfortunately slight shakes reappeared, nothing like they used to be but still there. It was kind of weird, sometimes I'd get them at 65mph then they would dissapear if I get it up to 85mph, sometimes glass smooth until I get to 78-80mph, sometimes smooth at any speed. I am gonna give it one last chance by re-mounting them myself (per TSB), if that doesn't help then VW here I come! I love my hybrid but I can't spend every available moment dealing with this issue. Cars are here to serve us not the other way around.
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T-reg - you are a better man then I am...I am simply refusing to do any of this crap myself OR suffer from any shakes at all and I dont think I am being an ass about it either. After all its a very expensive car and I dont want to live with that. We bought this thing in anticipation of doing many many road trips this year and I dont want to constantly deal with the allignment and shaking problem...at this point I really dont want the to fix it at all I just want the damn car returned and move on.
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I dunno, they should be issuing new rotors or hubs or both on this one. Something that doesn't involve eye of newt and murr.

I know they want to get out of it cheap but this is too widespread to blame on people being stupid or not knowing how to mount wheels.

Step up, fix the issue and don't tarnish the otherwise excellent job they've done on this vehicle.

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T sorry to hear the shake is back.

Hopefully doing it yourself does the trick.
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While doing some research I came across this site: Shimmy - Around Steer Axis - What do you know? - Automotive suspension engineering - Eng-Tips It looks like Touareg isn't the only VW model affected.

This describes my condition pretty well:

"Changing between wheels of varying trueness did nothing, the wobble is independent of speed, brake torque, brake torque imbalance, tyre pressure changes, tyre pressure imbalance, added kingpin friction, and imbalanced kingpin friction.

What did remove the oscillations completely were mass changes - removing mass from the front axle, or adding mass to the steering wheel!"
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