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Auto Seikel Suspension Kit

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#1 ·
As some of you might know, I've been struggling for more than a year now to get an acceptable (to me... ;) ) solution for lifting my Treg a bit.

http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f44/steel-suspension-spring-rates-23792.html

or...

http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f66/lift-kit-12974.html

I'm happy to report that I've found what I was looking for, be it at a price... :shock:

I found a local guy (he's a German bloke, called Frank Herborn, www.sportsvans.co.za) importing conversion kits to SA primarily for the T5 Caravelle and the Mercedes Sprinter vans, but he now also imports these Auto Seikel Dakar Suspension kits from Germany:

Suspension, steering and brakes : Lift kit : Product details

The kit consists of 4 new coil springs and dampers.

A couple of days before I left on my Lesotho trip, I had one of these kits fitted, at a cost of just over R17,000 (US$2,160) including fitment and alignment.

I am extremely impressed with this kit. I've done about 1,500km with it now. It raised the car around 45mm at the back and 40mm in the front. The ride is a little harder, but not uncomfortable at all. I hardly notice it now. Handling feels a little more sure footed, more responsive.

Since my vehicle was the first one in SA to get the kit, Frank also took the liberty to invite a couple of guys from VWSA to "test drive" the new kit on his private off-road test track. They were also very impressed with it and the kit is now a VWSA approved accessory for the Touareg, ie. if he (approved installer) fits it, it won't affect the warranty of a new vehicle.

This kit is really good however, if you're looking to buy a Treg, new or used, and you plan on using it off-road, I'd rather find one with air suspension. If you already have a steel sprung Treg (like I do) and you use it off-road from time to time, this kit is what you're looking for.

Considering that the air suspension is a R24,000 option, which is expensive, but still less than 5% of the cost of the cheapest new Treg in SA, and the fact that "options" have very little value on the second hand market (at least here in SA) rather spend the money on air. It gives you more flexibility.

However, since you guys in the US seem to battle to get new a/s Tregs in the configuration you want, it might be worth a look. Might be close to the cost of a set of smaller wheels and tyres...? ;)

BTW, Sportsvans also have an agent in Tualatin, Oregon. http://upscaleauto.com/index.htm Maybe this guy will import the kits from Germany to the US...?

Attached pics show before and after fitment. In both cases the vehicle is loaded with quite a bit of camping/off-roading kit, but the payloads were more or less the same. With this kit, and the bigger 30.5" tyres, my wheel arches are now almost 2.5" higher off the ground.
 

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#2 · (Edited)
FWIW, here's a little update.

The kit's been in for almost 2 months and ±3,000km of which half was in Lesotho, with some mild to serious off-roading.

I measured the ride height a week after it was fitted, and again after returning from Lesotho. There was very little change in height.

The suspension kit gave me an additional 43mm (FR) and 33mm (RR) clearance, and with the bigger tyres (265/65R17) the vehicle now sits 60mm (FR) and 50mm (RR) higher than what it was when I bought it. (That's 2.4" FR and 2.0" RR for the metrically challenged... ;) )

I'm still as happy as can be with the results and performance.
 
#8 ·
Further experience...

FWIW, here's a little update.

The kit's been in for almost 2 months and ±3,000km of which half was in Lesotho, with some mild to serious off-roading.

I measured the ride height a week after it was fitted, and again after returning from Lesotho. There was very little change in height.

The suspension kit gave me an additional 43mm (FR) and 33mm (RR) clearance, and with the bigger tyres (265/65R17) the vehicle now sits 60mm (FR) and 50mm (RR) higher than what it was when I bought it. (That's 2.0" FR and 2.4" RR for the metrically challenged... ;) )

I'm still as happy as can be with the results and performance.
Hello AndrieK,
just wondering, on the Seikel website it says the kit will give you a 30mm lift. Did you get a special one or have they changed products since? Any idea?

And, how about the experience so far? Any good or bad news? I'm looking into this option as well and am just checking with the local Seikel partner here in Oz.

Did you find any good reviews of the kit before you bought them?

Thanks and cheers
Sascha
 
#9 ·
Hi Sascha

AFAIK the kit I've got is the only one Seikel makes. The values are before and after measurements on my specific Touareg. Suppose there might be a slight variance from one vehicle to the next. I've also been checking the ride height from time to time to see if there's any sag. So far there's none.

Although I would've liked a bit more lift (suppose it'll never be enough... ;)) especially compared to an a/s Treg, I think this is about as much as you can squeeze out of the Tregs geometry reliably. Any higher and the drive shaft angles might become an issue for the CV joints. The geometry on an a/s Treg is the same, but running at adverse angles on an a/s Treg isn't such a big problem as you don't drive at high speeds and not for long periods with the vehicle in Off-road or Xtra modes.

I'm still very happy with the kit. No concerns whatsoever. No changes in ride or handling since I had it fitted.

The kit was recommended to me by a VW dealer who had a lot of Seikel kits fitted to T5 Transporters with great success. I was so frustrated with not being able to find what I was looking for that I just took the plunge the moment I got my hands on the kit.

The Seikel kits are now VWSA approved accessories for the Treg and T5. I had my kit fitted by the importer as it was part of the warranty clause, but it's a straight bolt-on swap and can be done DIY. You'd have to have the alignment set after fitting though.
 
#11 ·
AndrieK,
Finally! Thanks for all the legwork. I've been looking for a lift kit for quite a while. You implied that the lift is good but not quite the equivalent of a egg with a/s. If I'm correct the max ride height of an egg with a/s is 11.5" and with this set up you get 10.5"? Does that sound about right for your total height? I really wish I could fit an my egg with an aftermarket a/s system? I'm asking around in California right now if I find anything I'll post it.

Thanks again!
 
#12 ·
The Touareg's ground clearance specification seems a bit dodgy. In fact we're finding the same thing with the new Amarok pick-up just launched here. VW has a funny way of measuring it. I suspect they measure it at the same point where the break-over angle is measured, i.e. in the middle of the vehicle between the front and rear axles, and NOT the lowest point underneath the vehicle.

My T1 steel sprung Treg is supposed to have a 237mm (9.33in) ground clearance.
A T1 with A/S was supposed to be 300mm (11.8in).

Like I said, the kit lifted mine 43mm (1.7in) in front and 33mm (1.3in) at the back, so on average I should have increased my ground clearance from 237mm (9.3in) to 275mm (10.8in).

But the actual lowest point underneath the vehicle is probably the ball joint where the lower wishbone attaches to the bearing housing, right against the inside of the wheel and this would be identical for a steel sprung and air sprung Treg. The ONLY way to get this point further off the ground is to fit bigger tyres. However, because this point is so close to the tyre, it hardly ever touches anything since it moves out the way the moment you drive over the obstacle.

This is one of the reasons I went with the 32" tyres on 16" steel wheels.